Hoi, The fact that it is considered major enough to address how Snøhetta became blocked on English Wikipedia is ok. What is also does is confirm the bias towards English Wikipedia. I am pretty sure that in the briefing of Snøhetta personnel it was NOT mentioned that other projects may have different policies, they substantially differ.
For me this whole process seems like a traintrack leading to a train wreck. Wikipedia is not what *we *do, it is the brand Wikimedia is best known for. Remember bias is not experienced and appreciated by the people who are associated with what is dominant. I stated before how Wikipedia bias has prevented us to move forward with our other "brands" and projects. I would like some response on that. Thanks, GeradM On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 00:16, Samir Elsharbaty <selsharb...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the concerns and > questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have now added an > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details about the block > and what is being done. The project team is in the process of updating the > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add those pages to > your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information. > > > Best, > > Samir > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial relationship > with > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats been > > reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many users who been > > blocked and help them become productive contributors but before they > start > > making recommendation or decisions about who we are there needs to be > > something done to get them back to good standing with the community first > > untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to rebuild the hen > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything they recommend. > > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into the > 2030 > > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that should have > > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its comprehensible > not > > to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, why we will be > > doing anything for the next 10 years. > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an unwillingness > > > to work with Wikipedia properly: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please > > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood > > > <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far, > it > > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we > > operate, > > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin > > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of > buzz, > > > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am wrong, > > and > > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? Block > > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the community. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Pine W > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement? > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at > > > > you, Essie. > > > > > > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the > > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of > resources > > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this project is a > > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the > > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself > as > > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities and > > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and > > > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think > that > > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve Snøhetta > > > > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been > > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few > > > > months. > > > > > > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program > > > > in its current form. > > > > > > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending associated > > > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on whether > > > > this project should continue. 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