Well, both ZEUS and CiviCRM works well in many NGO-ses. It is just a subject of proper maintenance. Actually, a piece of free software called MediaWiki is probably more complicated to maintain than CiviCRM or Wordpress but WMF is able to maintain it pretty well :-) I believe that organization able to successfully maintain the largest MediaWiki based projects on Earth could also manage to organize free software based survey system... This is a subject of priorities rather than resources...
pon., 15 lut 2021 o 02:08 Łukasz Garczewski <lukasz.garczew...@wikimedia.pl> napisał(a): > With respect, Fae, if you're going to propose banning an existing > solution, it is on you to propose a suitable alternative or at least a > process to find it before the ban takes effect. > > I write this as a signatory of Free Software Foundation Europe's Public > Money? Public Code open letter <https://publiccode.eu/openletter/>. I am > wholeheartedly a proponent of open source software. > > At the same time, I am a firm believer in using the best available tool > for the job. > > Our mission is too important to hold ourselves back at every step due to a > noble but often unrealistic wish to use open source solutions for > everything we do. > > Last year, because of my drive to use proper open source solutions, WMPL > wasted hours and hours of staff time (mostly mine) and a not insignificant > amount of members' time because: > > - Zeus, a widely used, cryptographically secure voting system is > impossible to setup and maintain and has very sparse documentation, > - CiviCRM, the premier open source CRM solution for NGOs, refuses to > work correctly after the Wordpress installation is moved to a new URL, and > documentation isn't helpful. > > To my knowledge there are no suitable open source options that would be > easy-to-use and robust enough to support our needs in both cases and be > comparable to commercial counterparts. > > I have wasted a ton of time (and therefore WMPL money), before I decided > to use state-of-the-art commercial solutions for the needs described above. > Don't be like me. Don't make other people think & act like I did. Be > smarter. > > Should we use an *equivalent* open source solution when one is available? > Yes. > Should we have a public list of open source tools needed? Yes. > Should we use programmes such as Google Summer of Code to build those > tools? Yes. > > Should we waste time using sub-par solutions or doing work manually? Hell > no. > > *So here's a constructive alternative idea:* > > - Let's gather the needs and use cases for tools used by WMF and > affiliates, > - Let's build a list of potential open source replacements and map > what features are missing, > - Let's put the word out that we're looking for open source > replacements where there are none available, > - Let's embed Wikimedia liaisons in key open source projects to ensure > our needs and use cases are addressed promptly, > - Let's use initiatives such as Summer of Code to kickstart building > some of these tools. > > I acknowledge the above is much harder to do than instituting a ban via > community consensus. It is, however, a much more productive approach and > will get us to your desired state eventually, and without sabotaging the > work that needs to happen in the meantime. > > Oh, and in case anybody's wondering why we can't build these tools > in-house: > > We could but really, really shouldn't. MediaWiki and the wider Wikimedia > tech infrastructure is still in need of huge improvements. It would be > really unwise to distract WMF's development and product teams from these > goals by requesting they build standard communication or reporting tools. > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:42 PM Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> As a consequence of the promotion of a Google forms based survey this >> week by a WMF representative, a proposal on Wikimedia Commons has been >> started to ban the promotion of surveys which rely on third party >> sites like Google Forms.[1] >> >> Launched today, but already it appears likely that this proposal will >> have a consensus to support. Considering that Commons is one of our >> largest Wikimedia projects, there are potential repercussions of >> banning the on-wiki promotion of surveys which use Google products or >> other closed source third party products like SurveyMonkey. >> >> Feedback is most welcome on the proposal discussion, or on this list >> for handling impact, solutions, recommended alternatives that already >> exist, or the future role of the WMF to support research and surveys >> for the WMF and affiliates by using forking open source software and >> self-hosting and self-managing data "locally". >> >> Links >> 1. >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Use_of_off-wiki_surveys_using_third-party_tools >> >> Thanks >> Fae >> -- >> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >> #WearAMask >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > -- > > Z poważaniem · Kind regards > > Łukasz Garczewski > > Dyrektor ds. operacyjnych · Chief Operating Officer > > Wikimedia Polska > > > tel: +48 601 827 937 > > e-mail: lukasz.garczew...@wikimedia.pl > > <http://wikimedia.pl> > > Wesprzyj wolną wiedzę! > Przekaż 1% podatku lub wpłać darowiznę na rzecz Wikipedii > <https://wikimedia.pl/> > > ul. 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