Sure. Most of the people involved in policy decisions for WMF back then are still around, so a researcher who wants to know what happened and why can ask them.
Mike On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 6:04 AM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Are these “facts of the matter” available for evidence focused rational > consideration? > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > *From:* Mike Godwin [mailto:mnemo...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 30 August 2021 02:30 > *To:* Andreas Kolbe > *Cc:* Wikimedia Mailing List > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion > article to check... > > > > Andreas writes > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:12 AM Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > But unless I am totally misreading you, your attitude sounds a lot like > "Why should anyone care (or have cared) about Croatian and all these other > languages spoken in some countries at the other end of the world?" If that > does reflect your sentiment, then your mindset seems very much out of tune > with WMF thought today. > > > > The most generous assessment of this gloss is that you are, in fact, > totally misreading me. The less generous assessments I leave to the > rhetorically inclined reader. > > > > I am not sure you are actually interested in an answer here, but what I > did do, for what it's worth, was to make sure that the WP Signpost and WP > Kurier covered the story when it first broke, mention it repeatedly over > the years in my writing on WO and in the Signpost, as well as in > correspondence with journalists and academics, and submit the > aforementioned idea to the WMF – to have experts review human rights > topics' coverage in Wikipedia language versions that may be subject to > undue political influence, and publicly report the results. I think that's > about all you could have reasonably expected me to have done here. > > > > I also think it is reasonable to expect you not to default to presuming > things about the motives of WMF personnel in the absence of evidence. But > that's me--I'm evidence-focused. > > > > The fact of the matter is that for about a decade, one of Wikipedia's > top-50 language versions promoted extremist content, with the WMF's full > knowledge. That is Not A Good Thing, whether you work for the WMF or not, > and you have given no discernible reason why what was done this year could > not have been done years ago, when the WMF was first made aware of the > situation. > > > > Your characterization of "the fact of the matter" is morally confused. To > wit, you want to imply that if some people at WMF knew something about what > was happening in the Croatian Wikipedia, it follows that WMF > institutionally decided, as a matter of policy, not to do what you wish > they might have done. You do not have "the facts of the matter" that > demonstrate such an institutional decision took place. > > > > Once again, you default to moral condemnation, and it seems self-evident > that you're doing so because it's cheaper and easier than understanding > what might actually have happened. > > > > Mike Godwin > > > > > > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > >
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