FWIW YMMV, Executive Summary: ==================
* I looked into Stable Diffusion recently. BEWARE: The actual technical and legal situation on the ground with these systems is VERY different from what -say- twitter will lead you to believe. Also :Everything you know will be wrong and out of date inside 1-2 months at this time. * In general: Times are changing. For better or for worse; if we seize the initiative here, we may be able to advance our cause considerably. Stable Diffusion: ================== I recently got into a kerfluffle elsewhere wrt Stable Diffusion, which is a similar technology, forcing me to research it in more detail. Initially I was inclined to take claims by people opposed to SD at face value, (people claimed with absolute certainty that SD was art-theft, unethical, out to destroy artists, and all around Bad Guys (tm) ... ... but on researching I was surprised to find: * SD was FLOSS and scrupulously annotated. (may or may not be relevant here) and/or when I looked at the (C) situation one or more of the following applied: * there was no copyright whatsoever due to significant non-human input [1]. * Or there was a very strong case for transformative fair use and significant non-infringing uses as per [2]. * And even IF any actual copying/derivation could be argued, it was de minimis [3] (on average 2 bits of data per 500000 byte image) Finally: * The current rate of innovation in this sphere is dizzying. From ugly muddy blobs ~12 months ago to <humans have a 50/50 chance to distinguish between AI generated images and human genareted images> This situation surprised me somewhat. I would be very interested to see what the ChatGPT defense will look like. In general: ============= On the short term, precedents or reactive legislation _might_ hurt wikipedia somewhat, but in the mid-term I have a hope that the (C) system will be found to be in need of an overhaul anyway. This would then be an opportunity for CC/FLOSS to engage and advance our goals and advocate for our ethics. sincerely, Kim [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc. [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 10:34:16AM +0100, Anders Wennersten wrote: > BIng with ChatGPT is now released by Micrsoft. > > And from what I understand they use Wikipedia content considerably. If you > ask Who is A B and A B is not widely known, the result is more or less > identical to the content from the Wikipedia article (but worse, as it "makes > up" facts that is incorrect). > > In a way I am glad to see Wikipedia is fully relevant even in this emerging > AI-driven search world. But Google search has ben careful to always have a > link to Wikipedia besides their made up summary of facts, which here it is > missing (yet?). And for licences, they are all ignored. > > So if this is the future the number of accesses from users to Wikipedia > will collapse, and also their willingness to donate... (but our content > still a cornerstone for knowledge) > > Anders > > (I got a lot of fact from an article in Swedish main newspaper by their tech > editor. He started asking fact of himself, and when he received facts from > his Wp article plus being credited to a book he had noting to do with, he > started to try to tell/learn ChatGPT of this error. The chatPGT only got > angry accusing the techeditor for lying and in the end cut off the > conversation, as ChatGPT continued to teat the techeditor as lyer and > vandal..). > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/GJJNX2Y7BX5RZYGAIYTUI6O6CSBN72EH/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/N2YUVV2R4L45ZWQQRX2F3V4XGVZFBNJF/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org