Hi Alek, nice to see you here! On the contrary, I think it is important to, as early as possible, deter all these attempts to weaken the concept of "open" and that we as a movement need to take a hard stance against them. These proprietary licenses do not fit the spirit of sharing all knowledge and letting anyone do whatever they want with it. It's not that they are using licenses that currently are not approved by the leaders of the open source movement, it's that these licenses are fundamentally, and deliberately, constructed so that they will never be approved by these bodies.
But yes, we will probably soon see FOSS licensed LLMs, and from these, we can choose which ones we might want to help develop. Let's just wait for that day, rather than make a hasty and morally dubious bet on models available as of today. Jan Ainali Den ons 29 mars 2023 kl 21:50 skrev Alek Tarkowski <a...@openfuture.eu>: > Hi, > > (I’m Alek from Open Future Foundation, I largely lurk here, so I want to > say “Hi everyone!” first). > > Jan, you’re right that the RAIL license does not meet any FOSS > definitions. But its authors, in their white paper, position this license > not just as “responsible” but also “open”. And project like RAIL or BLOOM, > connected with the HuggingFace company, aim to define a standard that fits > the idea of responsible sharing. Looking in more detail, the behavioural > use limitations in RAIL are ones that could probably be endorsed by > Wikimedia, based on its Code of Conduct and other community norms. > > My point is that it would be good to explore to what extent “openish” AI > stacks can be a good fit for Wikimedia. > I follow the conversation around open/responsible AI licensing and > understand the need to not “dilute" FOSS licensing. But also appreciate > that AI researchers are actively setting a standard that they think is > right for AI. I think that their work should not be dismissed just because > it’s not using one of the canonical open licenses. > > BY the way, there will probably be, anytime soon, an LLM that is available > under a “traditional” FOSS license. But for me that’s even more so a reason > to consider different options, and be able to make an informed decision. > > Best, > Alek > -- > Director of Strategy, Open Future | openfuture.eu | +48 889 660 444 > At Open Future, we tackle the Paradox of Open: paradox.openfuture.eu/ > > On 28 Mar 2023, at 20:30, Jan Ainali <j...@aina.li> wrote: > > Den tis 28 mars 2023 kl 12:08 skrev Lauren Worden < > laurenworde...@gmail.com>: > >> First, the Foundation should host a fork of BLOOM [ >> https://huggingface.co/bigscience/bloom ], which if I remember correctly >> was described by the Foundation's Machine Learning Director Chris Albon as >> the only LLM at the scale of GPT-3 adhering to the movement's FOSS >> criteria. >> > > No, BLOOM is not FOSS by any means. > It fails freedom 0 of the four freedoms from the Free Software > Foundation[1], and it is not recognized as an open source license by the > Open Source Institute (and will not be as it fails requirement 6 of the > open source definition[2]). > So that model, any other using the RAIL license, is a dead end. > > /Jan > > [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html > [2] https://opensource.org/osd/ > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DW4TRBMJLO4I7MSIUJOHZLH6M2B7CJL5/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IWQ4XGPKMBUSZVZ5KOW3ZAT4OWPIUBZR/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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