As has been pointed out above, we have the hallucination issues, because AIs/LLMs deal in language and how probable a phrase seems to be, rather than in facts. Beyond the hallucination issues, we have the fact that their answers can't be accessed by other editors. Beyond the fact that their answers aren't published sources, even in a scenario where they reliably could present information, they would relay what had been found elsewhere.
But is this so different from what we're used to? If I want to use information from a Wikipedia article elsewhere in the encyclopedia, I don't cite said article; I go to the sources. If I can't figure out where the information is coming from, I don't use it. If you can see where the information is coming from (not possible specifically in the normal ChatGPT experience at this time, as this requires that the tool is used to retrieve information from a specific place rather than find probable phrases), read that and cite it, if it's a reliable source. If you can't see where the information is coming from, it can't be used. //Johan Jönsson -- Den ons 17 maj 2023 kl 12:52 skrev The Cunctator <cuncta...@gmail.com>: > Again at no point should even an improved version be considered a source; > at best it would be a research or editing tool. > > On Wed, May 17, 2023, 4:40 AM Lane Chance <zinkl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Keep in mind how fast these tools change. ChatGPT, Bard and >> competitors understand well the issues with lack of sources, and Bard >> does sometimes put a suitable source in a footnote, even if it >> (somewhat disappointingly) just links to wikipedia. There's likely to >> be a variation soon that does a decent job of providing references, >> and at that point the role of these tools moves beyond being an >> amusement to a far more credible research tool. >> >> So, these long discussions about impact on open knowledge are quite >> likely to have to run again in 2024... >> >> On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 09:24, Kiril Simeonovski >> <kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Thank you everyone for your input. >> > >> > Your considerations are very similar to mine, and they give a clear >> direction towards what the guidelines regarding the use of ChatGPT should >> point to. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Kiril >> > >> > On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 10:11, Ilario valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Define "reliable source". >> >> >> >> A source is reliable if can be consulted by other people than the >> editor >> >> to check the content. >> >> >> >> Is this possible with ChatGPT? No, becaue if you address the same >> >> question to CHatGPT, you will have a different answer. >> >> >> >> In this case how the people verificaying the information can check that >> >> the editor did not invent the result? >> >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> On 17/05/2023 09:08, Kiril Simeonovski wrote: >> >> > Dear Wikimedians, >> >> > >> >> > Two days ago, a participant in one of our edit-a-thons consulted >> >> > ChatGPT when writing an article on the Macedonian Wikipedia that did >> >> > not exist on any other language edition. ChatGPT provided some >> output, >> >> > but the problem was how to cite it. >> >> > >> >> > The community on the Macedonian Wikipedia has not yet had a >> discussion >> >> > on this matter and we do not have any guidelines. So, my main >> >> > questions are the following: >> >> > >> >> > * Can ChatGPT be used as a reliable source and, if yes, how would the >> >> > citation look like? >> >> > >> >> > * Are there any ongoing community discussions on introducing >> guidelines? >> >> > >> >> > My personal opinion is that ChatGPT should be avoided as a reliable >> >> > source, and only the original source where the algorithm gets the >> >> > information from should be used. >> >> > >> >> > Best regards, >> >> > Kiril >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> > Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WMGIBNPN5JNJGUOCLWFCCPD7EL5YN6KU/ >> >> > To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ilario Valdelli >> >> Wikimedia CH >> >> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >> >> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >> >> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >> >> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >> >> Wikipedia: Ilario >> >> Skype: valdelli >> >> Tel: +41764821371 >> >> http://www.wikimedia.ch >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4L4K2BUD3YYTAKN6JPHVSSVGOFHW5AKG/ >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DNOFFTF2DECPFETILCWBOVT5AD63R3UH/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/LNUPXC7OM56CNFNE3JHHSYR7KTNBCLIM/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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