It's quite interesting how these models ended up being so illiterate and dumb on source reading and interpretation, while so creative and plausible at the same time. I'm sure there's a reason for this, can somebody please point to a link to a place where this is discussed, if you know it?
Thanks, Paulo David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 17/05/2023 à(s) 13:12: > Note that quite often it just *makes up* a plausible-looking source. > Because AI text generators just make up plausible text, not accurate > text. > > On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 09:40, Lane Chance <zinkl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Keep in mind how fast these tools change. ChatGPT, Bard and > > competitors understand well the issues with lack of sources, and Bard > > does sometimes put a suitable source in a footnote, even if it > > (somewhat disappointingly) just links to wikipedia. There's likely to > > be a variation soon that does a decent job of providing references, > > and at that point the role of these tools moves beyond being an > > amusement to a far more credible research tool. > > > > So, these long discussions about impact on open knowledge are quite > > likely to have to run again in 2024... > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 09:24, Kiril Simeonovski > > <kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you everyone for your input. > > > > > > Your considerations are very similar to mine, and they give a clear > direction towards what the guidelines regarding the use of ChatGPT should > point to. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Kiril > > > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 10:11, Ilario valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Define "reliable source". > > >> > > >> A source is reliable if can be consulted by other people than the > editor > > >> to check the content. > > >> > > >> Is this possible with ChatGPT? No, becaue if you address the same > > >> question to CHatGPT, you will have a different answer. > > >> > > >> In this case how the people verificaying the information can check > that > > >> the editor did not invent the result? > > >> > > >> Kind regards > > >> > > >> On 17/05/2023 09:08, Kiril Simeonovski wrote: > > >> > Dear Wikimedians, > > >> > > > >> > Two days ago, a participant in one of our edit-a-thons consulted > > >> > ChatGPT when writing an article on the Macedonian Wikipedia that did > > >> > not exist on any other language edition. ChatGPT provided some > output, > > >> > but the problem was how to cite it. > > >> > > > >> > The community on the Macedonian Wikipedia has not yet had a > discussion > > >> > on this matter and we do not have any guidelines. So, my main > > >> > questions are the following: > > >> > > > >> > * Can ChatGPT be used as a reliable source and, if yes, how would > the > > >> > citation look like? > > >> > > > >> > * Are there any ongoing community discussions on introducing > guidelines? > > >> > > > >> > My personal opinion is that ChatGPT should be avoided as a reliable > > >> > source, and only the original source where the algorithm gets the > > >> > information from should be used. > > >> > > > >> > Best regards, > > >> > Kiril > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WMGIBNPN5JNJGUOCLWFCCPD7EL5YN6KU/ > > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to > wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Ilario Valdelli > > >> Wikimedia CH > > >> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > >> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > > >> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > > >> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > > >> Wikipedia: Ilario > > >> Skype: valdelli > > >> Tel: +41764821371 > > >> http://www.wikimedia.ch > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4L4K2BUD3YYTAKN6JPHVSSVGOFHW5AKG/ > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DNOFFTF2DECPFETILCWBOVT5AD63R3UH/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/O75PUVCXLCVELZW7VMQY4KR65M6I5BYK/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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