Butch am hoping to talk about our efforts regarding OWID visualization at Wikimania
https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/review/JVV8PSVM9QQWYR3MM8SXF9ET9NLDR88Q We are pulling the underlying data from Commons as they are CC BY. Would be excellent to have a number of talks on these topics. James On Sat, Jun 7, 2025 at 8:02 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Butch, > Yes, that's the point: the solution doesn't solve the issue. A total > disaster. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Butch Bustria <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 7, 2025 12:52 PM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Two years without graphs > > Hi Galder, > > There was an update posted on the following ticket: > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940 > > *The Charts extension has now been deployed also to English Wikipedia. For > those interested in re-enabling interactive charts by converting graphs to > the new Chart extension, see this tool graphDataImport > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tomastvivlaren/graphDataImport> which > makes this quick & easy and also the alternatives in the See also section > there. Anything related to any of this can be asked in this new WikiProject > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Data_Visualization>.* > > *This will fix graphs with static data. We still need a solution for > pageview graphs.* > > > Also for everyone, > > On a related note, I am looking for a topic collaborator on a Wikimania > 2025 program proposal related to Data Visualization from a Wikidata Query. > > > https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/review/MNF7YTHVLU7LNPEBPG8SUWDEXXLTXTUW > > Kindly send me a private message on Telegram or an off list separate email > message. > > > > Sincerely, > > Butch Bustria > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information contained in this message is privileged and intended only > for the recipients named. If the reader is not a representative of the > intended recipient, any review, dissemination or copying of this message or > the information it contains is prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please immediately notify the sender, and delete the > original message and attachments. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2025, 6:16 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Dear all, > Two months ago, I wrote this message when we had been without graphs for > two years. Some of the answers said that the roll out was imminent, and > eventually that happened last week for all wikis. This was a long-waited > issue, as we have been around 10% of the history of Wikipedia with an error > message instead of a graph. To my surprise, the new charts extension > doesn't solve the issue, except for a very small subsets of graphs. > > Three years ago, we partnered with the University of the Basque Country to > show climate data in articles. Some students worked on fetching and > uploading the data to Commons, and we had a cool interactive graph for > showing the data. Just two weeks after completion the graphs were disabled, > so they were unable to show the result anywhere. This week, after charts > come again, we discovered that those interactive graphs can't be shown, as > the only solution gives is an unusable line chart ( > https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Altsasu&diff=10310336&oldid=10118272 > ). > > Another main use case was showing population growth graphs using Wikidata. > Having population data in Wikidata isn't a surprise at all. After all, > Wikidata is for data. However, the charts can't show data coming from our > data site. Instead, the suggestion is to reupload all the data from > Wikidata to Commons, making it not only redundant, but difficult to track. > And even if that was solved, the approach would be to create a graph > definition for every populated place in the world, instead of just having > one graph loading data from Wikidata. > > What should we do? Should we delete the broken graphs and assume that we > won't have a solution for those? Or should we wait two more years to have > something usable? > > The situation is critical, but not serious. > > Galder > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, April 21, 2025 7:35 PM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Two years without graphs > > Dear all, > Two years ago, all graphs were disabled because there was a security > issue. Two years later, we still have a message telling readers that graphs > are broken and that it will be fixed soon. Two years gone, two years of > negligence, two years of abandonment, two years of obsolescence. > > The team that should be fixing it announced that the graphs would be live > again this month (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369944). There's not > even a plan for that to happen (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383079). > Two > years lost, two years without a solution. > > Last year, a group of volunteers partially solved the issue with the OWID > gadget. The WMF asked to stop solving things, while they had a meeting with > people from OurWorldInData to talk about security. Seven months after the > last update from the WMF, we are still waiting for a formal agreement that, > obviously, is not going to happen. ( > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:OWID_Gadget) > > Half a year ago I participated in a discussion about this issue and I said > that the strategy was clear: make everyone forget that we even had graphs, > so there's no need to solve the issue. No one has proven me wrong. > > Two years without graphs. Two years further from our goal to be the > central infrastructure of free knowledge. > > Galder. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/O2HSXDRVZEDALZTCZMJCRI67WGPRHHK5/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/FQCZPD22CERAJQG4SB6YGHFS46REOD5A/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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