Hi Doc James, This is great news. We could use the opportunity to refer to each others session in relation to data collection and data visualization.
Sincerely, Butch Bustria ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is privileged and intended only for the recipients named. If the reader is not a representative of the intended recipient, any review, dissemination or copying of this message or the information it contains is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, and delete the original message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 5:27 AM James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > Butch am hoping to talk about our efforts regarding OWID visualization at > Wikimania > > > https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/review/JVV8PSVM9QQWYR3MM8SXF9ET9NLDR88Q > > We are pulling the underlying data from Commons as they are CC BY. Would > be excellent to have a number of talks on these topics. > > James > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2025 at 8:02 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Butch, >> Yes, that's the point: the solution doesn't solve the issue. A total >> disaster. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Butch Bustria <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 7, 2025 12:52 PM >> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Two years without graphs >> >> Hi Galder, >> >> There was an update posted on the following ticket: >> >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940 >> >> *The Charts extension has now been deployed also to English Wikipedia. >> For those interested in re-enabling interactive charts by converting graphs >> to the new Chart extension, see this tool graphDataImport >> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tomastvivlaren/graphDataImport> >> which >> makes this quick & easy and also the alternatives in the See also section >> there. Anything related to any of this can be asked in this new WikiProject >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Data_Visualization>.* >> >> *This will fix graphs with static data. We still need a solution for >> pageview graphs.* >> >> >> Also for everyone, >> >> On a related note, I am looking for a topic collaborator on a Wikimania >> 2025 program proposal related to Data Visualization from a Wikidata Query. >> >> >> https://wikimedia.eventyay.com/talk/wikimania2025/talk/review/MNF7YTHVLU7LNPEBPG8SUWDEXXLTXTUW >> >> Kindly send me a private message on Telegram or an off list separate >> email message. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Butch Bustria >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information contained in this message is privileged and intended only >> for the recipients named. If the reader is not a representative of the >> intended recipient, any review, dissemination or copying of this message or >> the information it contains is prohibited. If you have received this >> message in error, please immediately notify the sender, and delete the >> original message and attachments. >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2025, 6:16 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> Two months ago, I wrote this message when we had been without graphs for >> two years. Some of the answers said that the roll out was imminent, and >> eventually that happened last week for all wikis. This was a long-waited >> issue, as we have been around 10% of the history of Wikipedia with an error >> message instead of a graph. To my surprise, the new charts extension >> doesn't solve the issue, except for a very small subsets of graphs. >> >> Three years ago, we partnered with the University of the Basque Country >> to show climate data in articles. Some students worked on fetching and >> uploading the data to Commons, and we had a cool interactive graph for >> showing the data. Just two weeks after completion the graphs were disabled, >> so they were unable to show the result anywhere. This week, after charts >> come again, we discovered that those interactive graphs can't be shown, as >> the only solution gives is an unusable line chart ( >> https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Altsasu&diff=10310336&oldid=10118272 >> ). >> >> Another main use case was showing population growth graphs using >> Wikidata. Having population data in Wikidata isn't a surprise at all. After >> all, Wikidata is for data. However, the charts can't show data coming from >> our data site. Instead, the suggestion is to reupload all the data from >> Wikidata to Commons, making it not only redundant, but difficult to track. >> And even if that was solved, the approach would be to create a graph >> definition for every populated place in the world, instead of just having >> one graph loading data from Wikidata. >> >> What should we do? Should we delete the broken graphs and assume that we >> won't have a solution for those? Or should we wait two more years to have >> something usable? >> >> The situation is critical, but not serious. >> >> Galder >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 21, 2025 7:35 PM >> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Two years without graphs >> >> Dear all, >> Two years ago, all graphs were disabled because there was a security >> issue. Two years later, we still have a message telling readers that graphs >> are broken and that it will be fixed soon. Two years gone, two years of >> negligence, two years of abandonment, two years of obsolescence. >> >> The team that should be fixing it announced that the graphs would be live >> again this month (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T369944). There's >> not even a plan for that to happen ( >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T383079). Two years lost, two years >> without a solution. >> >> Last year, a group of volunteers partially solved the issue with the OWID >> gadget. The WMF asked to stop solving things, while they had a meeting with >> people from OurWorldInData to talk about security. Seven months after the >> last update from the WMF, we are still waiting for a formal agreement that, >> obviously, is not going to happen. ( >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:OWID_Gadget) >> >> Half a year ago I participated in a discussion about this issue and I >> said that the strategy was clear: make everyone forget that we even had >> graphs, so there's no need to solve the issue. No one has proven me wrong. >> >> Two years without graphs. Two years further from our goal to be the >> central infrastructure of free knowledge. >> >> Galder. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/O2HSXDRVZEDALZTCZMJCRI67WGPRHHK5/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/FQCZPD22CERAJQG4SB6YGHFS46REOD5A/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/DWEFPPSRNLFLUIXAOV5CATUDSDMWGAWY/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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