Хотел спросить про независимость 2008 года, пока не дочитал до твоего постскриптума. Собственно, это всё, что нужно знать о Западе, с которым приходится выстраивать отношения.
вт, 30 апр. 2019 г., 21:57 Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin via Wikimedia-RU <wikimedia-ru@lists.wikimedia.org>: > Отдельные коллеги из англоязычного мира высказали опасение, что включение > ознакомления с работой в проектах Викимедиа во внеклассную работу по > татарскому языку в Татарстане, лишь недавно (в 2008 году) получившем свою > независимость от России, может однажды привести к тому, что "Официальный > Татарстан" сможет начать продвигать свою точку зрения на чувствительные > политические вопросы как в татароязычном, так и в русскоязычном разделах > Википедии, что может привести к напряжению и так вероятно острой > межэтнической ситуации в регионе. > > Началось всё со странного завуалированного опасения в публичном ответе > одной из англоязычных коллег на моё письмо в рассылку wikimedia-l про то, > что Президент Татарстана распорядился о важности изучения возможности > использования проектов Викимедиа в образовании. Сначала уточнил вопрос в > личной переписке. взял недельный тайм-аут на обдумывание (т.к. работал), > публично ответил только сегодня, вынеся в отдельную тему "Smart > partnerships with strong external stakeholders a way forward? / Умные > партнёрства с сильными внешними стейкхолдерами: дорога вперёд?" Зашёл > издалека и с намерением поднять более серьёзные вопросы в долгосрочной > перспективе. > > В выходные вёл переписку с сотрудником Фонда Викимедиа Асафом Бартовым на > предмет того, как волонтёрам и объединениям Движения Викимедиа лучше > поддерживать "Викимедийцев Года" в рамках реализации проектов, что могут > быть полезными для сообщества той или иной страны, культуры или языка. До > стокгольмской Викимании 2019 остаётся 3 с небольшим месяца, надеятся > повторить случайный успех в Татарстане и думают над системными мерами > помощи тем, кому судьба оказаться следующими. > > Тимерхан сообщил, что публичного вручения сертификатов участникам > статейного конкурса "Татар 4.0" в рамках ежегодной акции Всемирного форума > татарской молодёжи "Я говорю по-татарски" не предусмотрено. Сертификаты и > дипломы (победителям) будут рассылаться, обещал в ближайшее время > подготовить проект трёхъязычного документа, вручаемого от имени Всемирного > форума татарской молодёжи, Викимедиа РУ и татароязычной юзер-группы. В моих > планах здесь завершить описание всех вынесенных уроков на русском языке > (подготовка участников и членов жюри, планирование задач и времени > организаторов на поддержку, и т.д.) > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Умный_регион/Многоязычие/Татарский/Татар_4.0 > > > С уважением, > фархад > > -------- Пересылаемое сообщение -------- > 30.04.2019, 20:30, "Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin" <f...@yandex.com > >: > > Dear colleagues, > > This thread is the consequence of my thinking over Jennifer's concerns [1] > to what I've seen as a routine progress report on Wikimedia Education > Program Russia, which she later kindly deciphered to me off the list (see > below for original). > > We periodically see signs of various individuals or interest groups using > Wikipedia to their advantage on a limited scale, so Jennifer is rightly > pondering on how should Wikimedians develop relationships with strong > partners theoretically capable of abusing our supposedly neutral projects: > governments, businesses, NGOs, various religious & ideological groups, etc. > > Wikimedia communities want to welcome new active users in large numbers, > so we are to follow the principle of good intentions, trust them and help > them to learn how to operate onwiki. At the same time, can we feel > comfortable that we can prevent the loss of control over what's going on in > our projects or being fully overtaken by some outside party interested to > push its own agenda using Wikimedia platforms? > > I believe we have all means for this. I am also confident that to advance > towards the world of Wikimedia movement vision [2] & Wikipedia purpose,[3] > we need to make sure that every human being feels welcome on our projects & > interested in their sustainable growth. > > Before we start similar 360 degree stakeholder engagement initiatives > within 6 official UN languages, those of G20 and maybe even any primary > language of a sovereign UN member, my guess is we might want to test such > initiatives in a less tense setting, working closely with government & > publicly-funded institutions, private sector, non-profits or individuals in > an environment with less interference from political, ideological or > commercial interests. Best candidates are probably mid-sized projects in > the language of some non-sovereign ethnic nation that represent little to > no interest for whatever outside organized party to gain control of. > > In the Russian Federation, we are currently in the process of such an > experiment around Wikipedia & other Wikimedia projects in Tatar, which I > happen to speak by birth within this language community. When starting on > this path in the fall of 2018, I was comforted to learn about "Kumusha > takes Wiki" initiative, that was implemented in 2013-2014 in > French-speaking Cote d'Ivoire and English-speaking Uganda with the support > of by Orange Foundation & presented during WikiIndaba 2014.[4] > > As a member of Wikimedia Russia, I am documenting our steps in WMRU-wiki > both in the regional [5] as well as in the linguistic development aspects, > [6] periodically sharing progress reports with the wider public via > [wikimedia-ru] list,[7] Wikimedia Community Languages of Russia on Facebook > [8] & Russian Wikinews, for my colleagues from other regions of Russia with > strong regional languages & other members of the community to be able to > apply whatever we learn, if they find it appropriate for their > socio-economic environments.[9] > > The working hypothesis is that giving all speakers of Tatar or whatever > other language the feeling of collective ownership of respective language > Wikimedia projects should be a safe way forward. Our progress reports are > almost exclusively in Russian, which is the best medium of communication in > my case: I am currently working on this almost alone, whilst local > stakeholders reasonably expecting to see some track-record, proofs and > other explanatory materials before getting onboard at every step of the > way. Tatar is not dominant language even within the region with high > concentration of Tatar speakers, whilst the share of English speakers in > Russia is @ 5%, even less in case of Tatarstan. > > Tatar is a language spoken mainly by an eponymous defacto stateless ethnic > group of over 5 million people living predominantly inside the Russian > Federation (second in number after ethnic Russians). It has a second > official language status within the Republic of Tatarstan (a region-subject > of the Russian state since 1552, home to about 1/3 of Tatars, amounting > here to slightly over 50%), where Russian is clearly dominant in politics, > economics, education, social life, etc. even among Tatars themselves. With > its current 85000 articles & under 100 active participants a month Tatar > Wikipedia seems a good fit - it's in Top-10 websites in respective language > (including groups in Facebook & VK social networks) thanks to being part of > Wikimedia constellation. > > We seem to be in ideal circumstances to pilot this with least consequences > for Wikimedia movement, as WMF is neither fundraising in Russia (no grant > money this way), nor allowing local affiliates to place fundraising > banners/links in respective language Wikipedias & other Wikimedia projects > over the geographic territory of Russia. At the same time, we received a > blessing of a respected Senior elder, retired Ex-President of Tatarstan, > having the title of UNESCO Special Envoy for Intercultural Dialogue,[10] > whilst Wikimedians from other projects in the languages of Russia called on > Tatar community to make it successful to scale it throughout the > country.[11] > > Going forward, I would suspect Tatarstan goverment that shows its interest > to make Wikimedia Education Program part of Tatar language curriculum or > extracurricular activities might eventually want to sign an MOU or a > similar document with the Wikimedia Foundation and/or local affiliates > (just like Mexican ministry of Culture, Government of the Indian State of > Maharashtra, Italian Ministry of Education or Nigerian Tourism Development > Board, to mention just a few cases I have personally read about). We don't > see this happening in the English-speaking part of Wikimedia world, > probably for cultural reasons, but everywhere else it seems to be a natural > step in formalizing partnerships relations. All Tatars are at least > bilingual and bi-cultural, so tolerance levels for differing points of view > are generally quite high edit wars around ethnic, civil & other identity > related topics rare. > > regards, > farhad > > P.S. Jennifer, Republic of Tatarstan was never an independent state & 2008 > independence you mention is likely to be confusion with the Republic of > Abkhazia or the Republic of Southern Osetia that gained their independence > from the Republic of Georgia. Landlocked inside Russia, Tatarstan claimed > its limited sovereignty at the collapse of Soviet Union (as it was unable > to become the 16th Republic of USSR due to the dissolution thereof), at the > same time showing it's intent to clearly stay associated with the nascent > Russian Federation. Respective association documents were signed in 1994, > some 14 years before the event you mention. We have Russian passports, > serving in the Russian military, our athletes competing for the national > teams. First President of Tatarstan Mintimer Shaimiev & First President of > the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin were friends & colleagues since Soviet > Union times, growing through the ranks in parallel, having shared many > meals together over the decades in power. > > [1] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-April/092265.html > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Vision > [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Purpose > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kumusha_Takes_Wiki/en > [5] https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region/Tatarstan > [6] https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region/Multilingualism/Tatar > [7] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-ru/ > [8] https://www.facebook.com/groups/1942496925980407/ > [9] > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Умный_регион/Направления/Региональное_многоязычие > [10] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-October/091151.html > [11] > https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Комментарии:Минтимер_Шаймиев_встретился_с_татароязычными_викимедистами > > -- > Farhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 / > skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan / Wikidata:Q34036417 > > 23.04.2019, 21:33, "Jennifer Pryor-Summers" < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com>: > > Farhad > > > > When a government adds contributing to Wikipedia to its national > curriculum, especially if it involves spending public time and money, it is > likely to expect that both the pre-existing material and the additional > controbutions to reflect the requirements of that national curriculum, > which in turn are likely to reflect the national values and spcific > positions. For example, Tatastan has claimed independence from Russia as > recently as 2008. Can we be sure that the Tatar-language and > Russian-language Wikipedia entries will be independent of any official > position on this and other sensitive questions of national importance? > > > > JPS > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:02 AM Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin < > f...@yandex.com> wrote: > >> Dear Jennifer, > >> > >> I feel you have put more thought into your question than I can grasp > right away. > >> > >> Please give me more context and some examples to help me understand > whatever might be of possible concern in this piece of Wikimedia Education > Program Russia related progress news. > >> > >> I would prefer to respond in full without causing back & forth > ping-pong. > >> > >> Thank you in advance, > >> farhad > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile > >> > >> 20:15, April 22, 2019, "Jennifer Pryor-Summers" < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com>: > >>> Farhad > >>> > >>> I assume that under this arrangement, the editorial independence of > the > >>> contributors and content will remain inviolable? > >>> > >>> JPS > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:22 PM Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin < > >>> f...@yandex.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Regional department of education (elementary & secondary education) > & > >>>> Kazan Federal University today received instructions signed by the > >>>> President of Tatarstan on integrating Wikimedia Education Program > >>>> opportunities into the curricula of educational establishments of > the > >>>> Republic. I was asked for some guidance on the topic before > tonight, so > >>>> prepared what I could in Russian > >>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-ru/2019-April/005086.html > >>>> We are in the country with a centralized education system culture, > so > >>>> project owner will be the ministry, with Wikimedians serving as > >>>> stakeholders, consultants & guides. > >>>> > >>>> On March 1st we fielded 2 speakers for EDU RUSSIA 2019 conference > >>>> > >>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CEE/Newsletter/February_2019/Contents/Russia_report#Wikimedia_movement,_Wikimedia_RU_&_WUG_TAT_activities_presented_at_%C2%ABEDU_RUSSIA_2019%C2%BB_Forum > >>>> > >>>> On April 11-12 our Bashkir colleagues (WUG BAK) were invited to > speak @ > >>>> their regional teachers' conference (photoes & report in Russian - > >>>> https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/?curid=221169 ) & their regional > deputy > >>>> minister recalled our speakers in Kazan > >>>> > >>>> Right now our judges are checking some 200 pre-qualified ttWP > articles > >>>> created by 67 previously untrained school teams in the framework of > Tatar > >>>> 4.0 contest. Prizes provided by local partner, introduction to the > contest > >>>> video, Messenger support, participant & article tagging, > prequalification & > >>>> assessing on volunteering time. 10 best teams to be publicly > awarded at > >>>> Ğabdulla Tuqay memorial event downtown Kazan on April 26. > >>>> Contest in Tatar - https://tt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Проект:Татар_4.0 > >>>> Lessons learnt in Russian - > >>>> > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Умный_регион/Многоязычие/Татарский/Татар_4.0 > >>>> > >>>> This all follows our February presentation > >>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CEE/Newsletter/February_2019/Contents/Russia_report#Tatarstan_pilot_of_%C2%ABSmart_Region%C2%BB_initiative_presented_to_the_Russian_Federation_Deputy_Prime-Minister > >>>> > >>>> regards, > >>>> farhad > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Farhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ > Тел.+79274158066 / > >>>> skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan / Wikidata:Q34036417 > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-RU mailing list > Wikimedia-RU@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ru >
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