Hi all, Given the response we have received from some and after some discussion, I have removed Tony from the ban list of the mailing list. In retrospect, moderation might have been the better avenue to take, so I apologise for my part in the drama that my actions caused.
I've asked someone independent to be the administrator for this list, and David Gerard has agreed to it. I've also removed Charles and myself as list admins. He will be the one who decides to moderate people if required for the time being. I encourage members to participate on the members list if desired. I emphasize that we should keep in mind the best way to interact with each other either here or on Wikipedia, and will endeavour to do the same. Thanks, Steve On 18 March 2014 10:26, Bruce White <bruceant...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey all > > Public stoush about the extent to which corporation rules have or have not > been strictly complied with is NOT appreciated > > This list/forum would NOT seem to be the right list to attempt to resolve > what is essentially internal corporate members (past, present, future) > only matters > > Below signalled Australia Chapters effective disengagement from it's > non-member friends and support base, via this list (or any other list] > would seem to be a sorry outcome of an essentially internal members only > stoush , ,that should perhaps have been moderated and continue to be > moderated by the Chapter/corporation in the way other such lists are > moderated > > Good cheer, hoping to get back to some editing on Aboriginal Australian > articles (especially for North Queensland) in the near future > > Bruceanthro > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 18/3/14, Steven Zhang <steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this > list > To: "Wikimedia Australia Chapter" <wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Received: Tuesday, 18 March, 2014, 6:22 AM > > All, > We have on numerous occasions explained the > reasons we reshuffled our committee, which we submitted to > CAV, the regulator, who accepted these changes both over the > phone and in writing. If anyone disagrees with the decision, > as previously mentioned on the old members list and I will > mention here, contact CAV and dispute their decision. > Continuing to dispute their decision and subsequent actions > made by the committee as a result of their decision is not > productive. It had been noted several times the actions that > can be taken if the decision of CAV is disputed, yet instead > of doing so the decision was made by people to continue to > bring it up on this list and disrupt it. This, combined with > the numerous complaints we received regarding their conduct, > is why the decision was made to remove Tony from the list. > He would have received an automatic unsubscription > notification via email, it is set up to do so in the list > settings and was tested yesterday. Given the circumstances > we felt this was adequate. > > There are now two mailing lists - > wikimedia-au-members, and wikimedia-au-announce, one a > discussion list for chapter members, the other for > announcements. I'll ask for someone independent to take > on administering this list, then remove myself and Charles > as list admins. > > This will be my last post here on this matter, > as I will be unsubscribing from this list. I recommended > others consider the same. > Steven Zhang > > President - Wikimedia Australia > > steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au > On 18/03/2014 2:35 am, > "John Mark Vandenberg" <jay...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:10 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On 17 March 2014 14:56, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:45 PM, David Gerard > <dger...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >>> FWIW, kicking people off the list in such > circumstances has generally > > >>> been acceptable on Wikimedia lists, with or > without notice. Though > > >>> notice is nice and adds to transparency. > > > > > >> Really? You guys have banned regular Wikimedia > contributions, who are > > >> not banned on any project and have made useful > contributions to the > > >> chapter, from the mailing list without notice, and > left them on the > > >> ban list for months without telling anyone? i.e. > put their email > > >> address on the mailman 'ban_list'? > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I neither said nor meant that. I meant more > broadly, moderating or > > > kicking sufficiently disruptive users as needed. > > > > Well you said "such circumstances", and I have > described the current > > circumstances in which the ban occurred. > > > > The organisation has now created a private mailing list with > Steven > > and Craig as the list admins, and subscribed all financial > members to > > it. > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-au-members > > > > Big sigh. > > > > fwiw, I've now removed myself as list admin of this > public list. > > > > -- > > John Vandenberg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >
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