Thanks, Tinu. I generally agree with you. Except that I never tried to tell anyone about what they ought to be doing as a volunteer and what not. There is a simple distinction between staff/consultants and volunteers as is evident from conventional usage across the Wikimedia universe. The only reference I made was to paid work done under the purview of contractual assignment with the Foundation, anything outside done in individual capacity and outside of working hours is still that of a volunteer.
Also, as long as I am not signing off with my official credentials at the end of the email, I am only expressing personal opinion. For instance, I wouldn't claim that Shiju's indisposition towards me is the official stance of his employer. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <tinucher...@gmail.com>wrote: > Dear Anirudh & Shiju, > > I would strongly dispose this as NOT the official position of the chapter. > > I have a different opinion but again I won't attribute to the chapter. > What I say below is my personal opinion. > > Just because someone decides to work full time ( and paid too) doesn't > mean it ceases to do anything as a volunteer. > > If someone is not able to spend the same extent of time to the movement as > a volunteer, there is their own problem. Nobody is going to ask anyone why > you are not doing your job as a volunteer. I have a high pressured day job > to keep and family & friends to take care, and I do my volunteer work with > the limited time , it is my choice. If I decide to work as full time as a > paid staff ( for the same movement), I don't need advise from someone else > to tell me what I should be doing as a volunteer and what I should not ! > > On a very hypothetical case, if you were working on a legal position for > WMF India, would you like someone to define that what your volunteer work > should be ? > > As I clearly explained earlier, many a times, due to nature of our > involvement with the movement, it is practically separate whether we does > something as a volunteer, chapter member or chapter board member or even > foundation staff. > > Pranav and Pradeep were working on a Foundation paid Fellowship for an > event like WikiConference that was supported by Community and conducted on > the banner of the Wikimedia India Chapter. Both are chapter members and > leaders ( as well as community members). Where does the work for the > Conference end as a Foundation full time Fellow end and where does it start > as community or chapter member? > > Everyone is encouraged to volunteer for the chapter , regardless of what > his or her day job is. There is nothing that prevents even a foundation > staff or contractor even being the board member of the chapter , less alone > any volunteer or member. There are several Wikimedia chapters in the world > who has paid and full time staff working for them. The Secretary ( > volunteer) of the Dutch chapter is also a Foundation Full time Contractor. > > Hope that clarifies > > -TC > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonl...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I am replying to this mail as a *Malayalam wikimedia community member*. >>> >>> >>> Fact: Subhashish, *former volunteer*, and now paid consultant with >>>> India Programs. >>>> >>> >>> What do you mean by this? I Shiju Alex is a Indic language wikipedian >>> now close to 6 years. According to Mr. Anirudh (an EC member of India >>> chapter) I am a former volunteer. is this is the official position of >>> wikimedia India chapter? As a community member I require an explanation for >>> this. >>> >>> >> Shiju, you and Subhashish have been volunteers but now you are paid >> contractors hired by the Foundation. Any work you do within the purview of >> your contractual relationship with the Foundation will be work as a paid >> contractor and cannot be deemed to be the same as a volunteer. You can >> continue being volunteers once your contractual assignment is complete. Is >> that so difficult to understand? >> >> The difference is this: I am an unpaid volunteer who cannot expend the >> same amount of time and energy towards our projects as you are currently >> able to. >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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