Barry, I think the moot point is being missed here. There is a general feeling (atleast from what I understand) that IP should focus on what the community cannot do - and the community should be more involved in deciding what IP should do. Other chapters that have hired staff have hired people on the same basis (for doing what the community cannot do). We do need to debate this because what is the point of paying people for things that volunteers can do for free? I have mentioned this on this mailing list a few weeks back as well.
We must also remember, IP has something major which the chapter or the community does not: An assured large money flow. This is why they are asked for help - because the chapter is not in a position to provide the same. This helps them to conduct outreach with ease without having to worry about filing tedious grant requests for travel or stay, they can just book a flight ticket and go off, while community members have to go through red tape - which kills their zeal. If community members are assured of flight and hotel costs the way IP staff is, Im pretty sure there will never be a shortage of volunteers for outreach :) Despite my request for a detailed report on what IP is upto on a monthly basis [1], there is no report for March whatsoever so far. On the same talk page, Pradeep spoke of IP detailing what it intends to do in the month at the beginning of the month so it can be compared to the final report for auditing what IP has done. Hisham agreed and provided the same for March [2], but where is April? Do we have to send monthly reminders for this? Links: [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Program/Reports/Community_Monthly_Reports/Feb_2012#Detail [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Reports/Community_Monthly_Reports/Mar_2012 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:52:42 -0700 From: bnewst...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net) Hi all, On mobile: We are working on this. Deals take time to consummate and are confidential until they are finalized with partners, but there is work going on in India and we hope to have some good stuff soon. @Ashwin: At one level I agree, but another way to think about this is as follows...It is useful to differentiate between things an editor "can" do and what an editor "actually chooses to do". There may be thing that an editor can do, but chooses not to do that is still worth doing and India Programs can fill that gap. On Outreach, India Programs is a) helping to cross-pollinate learning across the community and take more of an analytical approach to assessing Outreach than had been done before Nitika started to really focus on this; and b) bring added capacity to help us all reach more groups (look at the volume of outreach that has happened since Nitika started pushing on this theme - not pure coincidence).[1] @Srikanth: I don't think we should be ready to say there is no need for group X to focus on activity area Y, since group Z exists. Existence does not equate with "satisfying all of the needs in India". India Programs will stop supporting outreach the moment the chapter or local communities feel they are fully able to met all of the demand for learning about the Wikimedia projects from groups across India. Even today, the India Program team seeks ways to support community members or the chapter to do the outreach and does outreach sessions when a) they are asked to provide support; or b) where there aren't community members ready to take the lead. General point: IMO the debates which crop up regularly on this list over "who should do what" is tangential to the goals we all share of strengthening our community and realizing our mission in India. The capacity represented by Existing Community + Chapter + India Programs is nowhere near the need required to reach the full potential of the movement in India, so what is there to fight over? The more appropriate question IMO to ask is: "How best to work together in a way that we utilize the differing capabilities to maximum effective, given we're a long way from reaching a point where we are "finished with our mission"? It would also be cool if we celebrate what people actual "do" and debate the efficacy based on the results (since all of our work is experimental in nature and unproven at this time) rather than debate "who" should do the work. My 2 paise. ;) [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Outreach_Programs Kind regards, Barry On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with Ashwin. India Programs need not focus on Outreach as long as the Chapter is there. In India, we see mobile operators giving free Facebook and Twitter access but not to Wiki. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Barry NewsteadChief Global Development OfficerWikimedia Foundation Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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