On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 09:07, Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings, these days I often get 2 emails when someone sends an email to > a list. One from the mailing list and another from the Wikimedia Space. > He he, I am sure, not everyone understood what you said above might be a possibility, otherwise this thread wouldn't start this way. ;-) Regards, Bodhisattwa (Obviously as a volunteer) > > On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 08:31, Arvind Menon <tnkp...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> First of all I am not spreading any lies. Please check what information I >> received from WMF Community Program Director >> >> '''Hi Arvind, Krishna had been working on a contract with Community >> Programs but that wrapped up a couple of months ago. ''' >> >> Now Krishna has also accepted he was on contract and said there is >> documentation and would provide details in likely 1-2 days. Now 3-4 days >> have passed and wish the details can be shared. >> >> I could not find any User page with his name and in bracket WMF or >> Contract and also any Meta page where it is written. This always happen >> everytime with WMF Contractors. >> >> How was the selection process done? This is also not clear and no mention >> in the reply. If it is a lateral entry and that too without announcement >> and documentation this raises serious doubts on WMF. >> >> NOTE - This is not a fake profile. I will share my User Name when I feel >> comfortable that no one will harass me. Learn to protect the identity of >> Whistleblower. I will definitely share my User Name and clear everyone do >> not worry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 00:44, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello. >>> >>> If you feel WMF was misled into hiring a non-competent Hindi speaker for >>> liaising with the Hindi community, I encourage you to write to the >>> Foundation's Human Resources department at h...@wikimedia.org, and it >>> will be reviewed, and if necessary, whatever procedural flaw caused it will >>> be rectified. >>> >>> This mailing list cannot address this issue. >>> >>> A. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 21:48 Piyush Maurya <piyush93...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Sivaraam, >>>> >>>> But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about part-time hired >>>> people serving for 6 months or so on specific projects serving for specific >>>> language communities. In India on account of Hindi's largest user base >>>> Foundation chooses it whenever a new project comes in for getting input. >>>> Mostly these positions are called 'liaison'. >>>> >>>> They get paid and mostly these job's information not get publicly >>>> available (like mailing list or village pump but maybe on the link you >>>> gave). Whenever a new initiative takes place in foundation, these newly >>>> made positions get filled up by people who doesn't have the confidence of >>>> the community and in severe cases can't even write Hindi! >>>> >>>> This is a important issue for our community. More information on this >>>> will be helpful. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> Piyush >>>> (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी) >>>> >>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, 9:23 pm Piyush Maurya, <piyush93...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Krishna and all, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for very detailed clarification. I agree this was some kind of >>>>> dubious statement without any credibility (which my comment showed). >>>>> >>>>> But to get some real outcome of this discussion if any. I want to know >>>>> how the foundation chooses or appoints people for posts roll out for >>>>> communities. I have been witness to several such cases in the past year or >>>>> so where such posts got filled by someone without community consultation >>>>> or >>>>> knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> I'm talking about Hindi Wikimedia community in this case. What is the >>>>> procedure for applying for these posts. We get several people here who >>>>> doesn't know how to write Hindi and are serving as communication bridge or >>>>> liaison. And they seem to be getting these (they get paid) jobs by some >>>>> kind of connection among themselves. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks, >>>>> Piyush >>>>> (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 8:29 pm Tito Dutta, <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree. It rushed towards a conclusion without caring about >>>>>> questions and discussion. There was not much good faith assumed as well, >>>>>> in >>>>>> my opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> (My opinion is in personal capacity) >>>>>> --User:Titodutta >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 7:34 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < >>>>>> kcvel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Firstly, I would like to condemn this email from a person named >>>>>>> “Arvind Menon” - this email is very much a personal attack on me, to >>>>>>> misguide a community member, character assasination and to defame, all >>>>>>> using a fake profile. If the person is actually seeking any information >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> community benefit, as Piyush rightly pointed, it would be helpful to >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> the person’s Wikimedia identity, and their work. Otherwise, this can >>>>>>> merely >>>>>>> be regarded as an ad hominem attack, which has happened several times in >>>>>>> the past on this mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before I go into details, I have been very disturbed by this email, >>>>>>> as several people were asking me, and I was pressurised. I personally >>>>>>> request community members to look for authenticity before considering >>>>>>> anything. I fear this might become a practice to target people just by >>>>>>> creating fake profiles/emails, and wrongfully nameshaming them on public >>>>>>> platforms, without complete understanding. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding my role with WMF, firstly, there was a contract, but I did >>>>>>> not have any employment, and do not hold any. There has been public >>>>>>> documentation about it, and stating there wasn't any is untrue. All the >>>>>>> relevant details+evidence will be put forward. I have asked WMF support >>>>>>> regarding the same, and they would be giving further on this shortly >>>>>>> (probably in a day or two) after this email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to particularly focus on the WikiConference India part. >>>>>>> My relation with WMF has nothing to do with the grant, and no benefit of >>>>>>> the same has been applied in either of the contexts. Though initially >>>>>>> people expressed concerns, many of them, after clarifying, went on to >>>>>>> support the proposal, and it gained more than 40 endorsements >>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#Endorsements> >>>>>>> from community members, which shows the community is in favour of the >>>>>>> proposal and the conference. WMF comments were not against it. We >>>>>>> created >>>>>>> FAQs >>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#FAQs> >>>>>>> on the grant page itself to help community members understand the >>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>> behind it, and even all the questions on talk page were answered. We >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> mentioned that “all bills worth valuing more than ₹30,000.00 will >>>>>>> be publicly published” - this demonstrates transparency, in an >>>>>>> attempt to establish a new practice. Anyway, the entire Conference and >>>>>>> Event Grants program has been paused due to COVID-19 pandemic, and none >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the proposals forwarded from the initial stage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I provided clarification even though the initial email doesn’t >>>>>>> address me or respectfully seeks any information. I am taking this >>>>>>> effort >>>>>>> to provide detailed clarification, for the sake of community members and >>>>>>> understanding only. This email, though posted by a fake profile, created >>>>>>> great stress, and almost spoiled my entire day. I once again request the >>>>>>> community to be careful of random postings with unidentifiable >>>>>>> identities. >>>>>>> I wonder if there is any way further such personal attacks can be >>>>>>> avoided, >>>>>>> towards any community member. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Krishna Chaitanya V. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 20:55 Piyush Maurya, <piyush93...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Arvind, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are many cases where WMF appointed someone for x community >>>>>>>> and community didn't know nothing about it until the process is over. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Transparency is lacking in the foundation's working environment. If >>>>>>>> you share your username or what you do in the Wikimedia projects it >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> give your comments some value. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> Piyush >>>>>>>> (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 4:50 pm Arvind Menon, <tnkp...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The individual grantee for Wikiconference India 2020 grant had >>>>>>>>> secretly done a WMF Contract job with the Community Program Team some >>>>>>>>> month >>>>>>>>> ago. There was no public announcement for the job so I believe no >>>>>>>>> selection >>>>>>>>> process or hidden selection and no public documentation that he was >>>>>>>>> working. My question is why was he given the job depriving other >>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>> members from India who want to work but apply and get rejected. What >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> the need of WMF to hide the process by not informing or documenting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So on Wikiconference India grant WMF was applying to WMF and WMF >>>>>>>>> was going to accept WMF grant. Atleast from WMF grant comments it >>>>>>>>> looks >>>>>>>>> because community blamed grant taking so much money. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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