No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky and bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it. On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended > to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list > officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not > recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this > incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption > of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue > of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this > weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the > inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current > trustees. > > The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen > with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to > announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open > discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to > censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter > employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing > anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be > heard. > > This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If > the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses > much of its value as a community sounding board. > > Fae > > On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell <hjmitch...@ymail.com> wrote: > > Fae, > > > > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, > which is > > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you > mind > > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", for > > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as > > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not to > > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid instead > of > > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone > else > > subscribed to this list. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harry Mitchell > > http://enwp.org/User:HJ > > Phone: 024 7698 0977 > > Skype: harry_j_mitchell > > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No, I don't get it. > > > > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably > > rude? > > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you > > include the relevant content." > > > > Fae > > > > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds > > <richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a > >> second > >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came > >> across > >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across. > >> > >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general > >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That > >> has > >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the > chapter > >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility > might > >> be > >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a > >> rule > >> holds true on an internet mailing list. > >> > >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort > into > >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's > >> no > >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can > at > >> least keep a friendly face on most emails. > >> > >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at > >> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > > > > -- > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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