As someone who reads the list but rarely contributes, may I make a suggestion? Moderators absolutely should pull people up for using an inappropriate tone in their emails. However this should be done, in the first instance, privately.
Theresa On 13 Apr 2014 15:58, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi James, > > Thanks for chipping in as a moderator. I look forward to the > moderators being just as critical with other contributors on this list > when they are perceived to be snarky or bitchy, I am sure you wish to > treat all contributors here equally. > > As Harry mentions, there have been many posts far worse than mine on > this list, yet moderators have not felt the need to step in before. > > Fae > > On 13 April 2014 15:54, James Farrar <james.far...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No, Fae, I don't think that is obvious at all. It came across as snarky > and > > bitchy and Richard was well within his rights to call you on it. > > > > On 13 Apr 2014 15:52, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Sure Harry, however I think it obvious that my email was not intended > >> to be rude. Considering how rarely we see moderators of this list > >> officially using their authority to criticise users, in fact I do not > >> recall this happening in 2013 or 2014 until now, I find this > >> incredibly odd. It seems reasonable to connect this sudden assumption > >> of bad faith, to my recent posts to Wikimedia-l which raised the issue > >> of the UK Chapter sending more people to the Wikimedia Conference this > >> weekend than any other Chapter, including the hosts, with the > >> inevitable response of being called a troll by one of the current > >> trustees. > >> > >> The trend for the Chapter has been to stifle debate, as we have seen > >> with how the Village Pump on the chapter wiki being reduced to > >> announcements by employees and "positive statements" rather than open > >> discussion of issues and problems. If this has started to extend to > >> censorship of this list for vague perceptions of "tone" by Chapter > >> employees, then I'm afraid that volunteers will end up writing > >> anonymously on Wikipediocracy if they want to change anything or be > >> heard. > >> > >> This list has always been presented as not managed by the Chapter. If > >> the Chapter is now effectively controlling it, then I think it loses > >> much of its value as a community sounding board. > >> > >> Fae > >> > >> On 13 April 2014 14:34, HJ Mitchell <hjmitch...@ymail.com> wrote: > >> > Fae, > >> > > >> > I've seen worse emails to this list, but I can see Richard's point, > >> > which is > >> > that you could have written something to the effect of "Jon, would you > >> > mind > >> > including all the relevant information in your emails to the list", > for > >> > example, which has the same meaning but does not come across as > >> > unnecessarily hostile. He wasn't asking you not to criticise, or not > to > >> > point out Jon's omission (if he was, I'd be jumping to your aid > instead > >> > of > >> > Richard's), just to tone it down one notch for the benefit of everyone > >> > else > >> > subscribed to this list. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > Harry Mitchell > >> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ > >> > Phone: 024 7698 0977 > >> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell > >> > On Sunday, 13 April 2014, 10:04, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > No, I don't get it. > >> > > >> > Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is > unacceptably > >> > rude? > >> > "If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you > >> > include the relevant content." > >> > > >> > Fae > >> > > >> > On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds > >> > <richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > >> >> Hello all, > >> >> > >> >> I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a > >> >> second > >> >> there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came > >> >> across > >> >> as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across. > >> >> > >> >> The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general > >> >> editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. > >> >> That > >> >> has > >> >> to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the > >> >> chapter > >> >> and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility > >> >> might > >> >> be > >> >> necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such > a > >> >> rule > >> >> holds true on an internet mailing list. > >> >> > >> >> A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort > >> >> into > >> >> being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and > >> >> there's > >> >> no > >> >> problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we > can > >> >> at > >> >> least keep a friendly face on most emails. > >> >> > >> >> Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at > >> >> wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > >> > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > >> Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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