Note, I'm 99% sure that pulling the rating data off NewsTrust using
clientside js would be in violation of the wmf privacy policy (99% as
i have not actually read the privacy policy...). It also represents
somewhat of a security risk (the usual method of doing such things is
to execute foreign javascript that inserts rating data and/or puts
data in a global variable. which is generally something we try to
avoid, as executing arbitrary code on the client that is not under our
direct control = bad thing in my mind). With that being said, that
would probably be ok as a gadget, but not ok as enabled for everyone.

However, if we were to do this, i think a better approach would be to
get someone with a toolserver account to create a tool that acts as
intermediatery. That way, only the toolserver is in the position to
potentially collect user data.

It'd go like this: Client loads page, page asks toolserver what rating
of source is, toolserver asks newstrust (possibly caching results).

I assume that'd take care of privacy issues
--
- Bawolff
Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of 85
million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight.



On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Brian McNeil
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Fabrice,
>
> I've whitelisted your address for posing to wikinews-l. The mailing list
> archives are here:
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
>
> If I see any other posts from NewsTrust people I'll whitelist their
> email addresses too. You'll only get sent copies of other messages if
> you subscribe to the mailing list.
>
> On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 14:37 -0800, Fabrice Florin wrote:
>> Dear Brian,
>>
>>
>> It was great to speak with you yesterday - I'm glad that we got along
>> so well, and that you are interested in working together!
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for moving so swiftly to contact your community
>> about a possible collaboration between NewsTrust and Wikinews.
>>
>> We will discuss this idea in our editorial meeting on Monday. We
>> really appreciate your commitment to factual reporting from a neutral
>> perspective, and it appears that we have many shared values in
>> common.
>>
>> We are also honored that you are willing to consider using NewsTrust
>> as a possible tool for judging the entries of participants in your
>> upcoming writing contest (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:WWC-2010). We
>> will discuss the idea of cross-promoting this contest on both of our
>> sites at the end of January and perhaps again in early or mid-April. A
>> good way to do this might be to use our News Hunt format at that time,
>> if you all find the idea interesting. Read more about our News
>> Hunts below, as well as the attached PDF with more details about
>> NewsTrust.
>>
>>
>> I am also delighted that you were able to install our NT review
>> buttons so quickly on the Wikimedia article pages. Thanks, bawolff,
>> nicely done! See my response to your comment below.
>>
>> At your request, we already corrected the misspelling of your name on
>> our source profile page for Wikinews:
>> http://newstrust.net/sources/wikinews
>>
>>
>> Note that is is now possible for you to add one of our source widgets
>> on your site, listing stories for review from Wikinews:
>> http://newstrust.net/widgets?url=/sources/wikinews/for_review
>>
> I'm puzzling over where we could fit that in.
>>
>> You can customize your widget in many different ways on that page (be
>> sure to click on 'More Options') and we have many topic widgets you
>> might consider putting next to articles that would benefit from more
>> related stories on the same topic.
>>
>> We've also started to review a couple of your featured stories, which
>> we encourage you to review as well:
>>
>> http://newstrust.net/stories/506880/toolbar?go=review
>>
>> http://newstrust.net/stories/507108/toolbar?go=review
>
> I noticed a few were up. Iain (User Blood Red Sandman) was quite pleased
> with the review he got on the Garuda pilot story. As you probably
> understand, we can have issues getting those actually involved (such as
> the pilot) to speak to us.
>
> The one I put up and admitted a COI/writing involvement saw me acting as
> the reviewing editor, doing quite a lot of copyedit work on it and
> bringing it in line with house style.
>>
>> (if you are a co-author of any of these articles, or have any serious
>> conflicts of interest, please check the appropriate box in the 'About
>> You' section of our review form, as Brian was kind enough to do for
>> one of the articles he co-wrote)
>>
>> Lastly, I also started a Smart Feed for Wikinews here, using your
>> feedburner RSS feed:
>> http://newstrust.net/feeds/180/show
>>
>>
>> This will make it easier for any of us to submit some of your upcoming
>> stories from your feedburner feed, since much of your metada is
>> automatically pulled from your feed. However, I encourage you to focus
>> on posting some of your best stories, so we don't flood our review
>> pipeline with too many stories from Wikinews right away.
>
> I suspect the metadata on Feedburner is pathetic. We have an extension
> for MediaWiki developed to produce RSS feeds based on categories and
> (our) review process.
>>
>> We are in the middle of a News Hunt on Climate Change, which will keep
>> us busy through the weekend, and I have to prepare for a board meeting
>> at the end of the week, so I will not be able to review any more
>> stories from you guys until the following week. Thanks for your
>> understanding. But if you have any good articles about Social Change,
>> we would be happy to have our community review them, as that will be
>> one of our major themes next week.
>>
>>
>> I would also like to introduce our associate editor Kaizar Campwala,
>> who is our point person for News Hunts and partnerships. Kaizar can be
>> reached at <[email protected]> and can answer any other questions
>> you might have about using our service.
>>
>> Look forward to continuing this discussion in coming weeks.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Fabrice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S.: Do you guys know how we could encourage a Wikipedia writer to
>> write an entry about NewsTrust on their site?
>
> Have you independent press reports on NewsTrust? That's the key thing.
> There's a few Wikipedians also contribute to Wikinews, they might know
> if there is still a "requesting an article" page on Wikipedia (and where
> it's hidden).
>>
>>
>> We understand and respect Wikipedia's rules against writing entries
>> about yourself -- or asking your friends to do it -- so we have not
>> made any attempts to have an entry written about us to date.
>>
>>
>> But we do think that it would be reasonable for someone to write one,
>> given all that we have contributed to this field over the years (see
>> attached project overview).
>
> It's all down to, unlike Wikinews, Wikipedia having a policy against
> original research, and being a tertiary source.
>
> If there is a press release or two for NewsTrust then any board or other
> people might get their Wikipedia articles updated to reflect the
> position. You can go right ahead and ask for that on an article talk
> page as long as you disclose your interest.
>
> Example:
>
> "I'm XXX of NewsTrust (http://newstrust.net), this article on <someone>
> does not mention that he is <positionholder> at NewsTrust. This is
> verifiable in <link to press releases> and <links to news reports>. Can
> this detail be added as a redlink to [[w:NewsTrust.net]], or that
> article actually started? --~~~~"
>>
>>
>> Would you be willing to nudge an experienced Wikipedia writer
>> interested in this topic to consider us as a worthy subject for an
>> article?
>
> I think I just did. I'll point a few other people at the mailing list
> archive, it might encourage them.
>
> <snip>
>>
>> Brian, to answer your question above, clicking on our NT review button
>> on a story that has already been submitted will take you directly to
>> our review form.
>
> Great!
>
>> > I've had encouraging feedback off-list about tying into NewsTrust's
>> > source rating system. Here's how I see us using this:
>> >
>> > {{source}}[5] is modified to have an optional "|NT" parameter. Where
>> > present, the URL for the cited source is checked for on NewsTrust,
>> > the
>> > story rating is retrieved, and a (likely smaller than NT uses)
>> > graphic
>> > of their trust level for the story is displayed somewhere. If
>> > NewsTrust
>> > doesn't have the story, the ideal is to fall back to their trust
>> > level
>> > for the source that published the story. Here we're going to run
>> > into
>> > the usual headaches with wire reports that are everywhere and end up
>> > cited as published by Ya-who?
>
>> We would be very happy to support any efforts along these lines, and
>> are delighted that you find them worthwhile.
>
>> > [5] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Source
>
> Still waiting to hear if we can pull that information off NewsTrust
> without having third party site requests that might violate policy.
>> >
>> > Now, I pointed Fabrice at the writing contest[6]. I would be very
>> > interested in getting the NewsTrust community to review the rules
>> > we're
>> > running by (the ever-popular "anyone can edit" including, at the
>> > moment,
>> > the competition rules). It may be possible to do some collaboration
>> > on
>> > that. NewsTrust could feature our competition a few days before the
>> > start, Wikinews invites readers not in the competition to look at
>> > ratings on NewsTrust and possibly contribute their own.
>> >
>> We are very happy to support your contest in any way we can, using the
>> current NewsTrust review tools.
>
>> But we will let you guys decide how you want to calculate the final
>> scores and award the prizes, as this is a bit outside of our area of
>> expertise.
>
>> > NewsTrust, I think, would be an ideal group to bring in on the
>> > post-competition Featured Article section. That is, all competition
>> > entries scanned for FA candidates on Wikinews, and in some way
>> > highlighted for review on NewsTrust. At the moment my penned-in idea
>> > there is to invite some of the WMF Trustees (a few have journo
>> > backgrounds) to get involved in that. The big question is, will
>> > offering
>> > just five points for an article that gets promoted be enough of a
>> > game-changer at that stage? Should it be higher - say 20 points?
>> >
>> > I didn't ask Fabrice if they could help out with sponsorship for
>> > prizes,
>> > so we're still begging for that. Anyone think it would be worth
>> > asking
>> > on the Wikipedia rewards board if a few of the people who put cash
>> > up
>> > there might chip together to have a netbook for the outright winner?
>
>> Our financial resources are limited, but we could perhaps give away
>> NewsTrust mugs to the winners, if they were selected using our review
>> tools.
>
> I don't see any reason why the mugs couldn't be awarded to the top-rated
> articles from the competition end-stage after submissions are closed and
> we're looking for those to promote to featured article status.
>
>> The mugs have a list of the core principles of journalism on the back,
>> so they offer more value than just promoting us  ;o)
>
> I've pointed people at Kipling for that ;-)
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian McNeil 
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