Authors from Italian Wikisource have already a lot (if not all) metadata on Wikidata: authors are *easy* compared to books (don't have the whole work-edition issue), so I think that users Candalua, Alex brollo and others solved this problem long ago.
When you've copied all the metadata from WS authors to WD items (phase 1), you then need a system in place to * pull the data from WD and put it in WS (Lua templates or something) * maintain it (the templates need to remind the user to go to WD and update the information) This is phase 2. Unfortunately, for books we're always pre-phase 1 :-( Aubrey On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes you definitely need this flow of useful&visible interproject links > both ways: as a trigger for Wikidatans to do more with Wikisource pages, > and as a trigger to Wikisourcerers to do more with Wikidata items > > On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote: > >> Yup, still true. We do at least have a common goal of structured HTML, as >> defined by http://schema.org/CreativeWork >> >> It sounds like Tpt's scraper will do wonders, if a Wikisource just >> complies to that. I think that's one of the next steps we need to take. >> >> I sort of figure from the English Wikisource point of view that we should >> do more on bringing data *in* from Wikidata, in our {{header}}, rather than >> working on making it easier to extract data *out* with >> microformats/structured-HTML. Well, we should do both, of course! :-) But >> my feeling from the process of getting Author data in from Wikidata is that >> the whole Wikidata integration becomes so much more worthwhile and clearer >> (and we sort out the various edge cases) when we're actively using it for >> real. >> >> But of course, each Wikisource is in a similar position. :-( And are we >> to all be developing the Lua scripts and templates in isolation? Indeed no! >> :-) We shall put them all toegther in our brave new Wikisource extension! :) >> >> —sam >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, at 04:03 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote: >> >> @Sam, Tpt, >> my personal experience is too that HTML is the way to pull out the >> Wikisource important metadata, >> but it's also that every Wikisource has sort of a different way to show >> them, >> meaning that you need to tweak your scraper for each Wikisource. >> Is that still true? Last time I did it was more than one year ago, but I >> need to try it again soon. >> Aubrey >> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote: >> >> Yes I think you're definitely right! The easier way to send Wikisource >> data to Wikidata is going to be a clever gadget that reads the >> microformat or schema'd info in each page. My hack was just a quick and >> easy test at getting some things added. :) >> >> Ultimately, I'm actually not that excited about working on the tools >> that we need to transfer the data. No no I don't mean that! Well, just >> that the end point we're aiming at is that a bunch of info *won't be* at >> all in Wikisource, but will be pulled from Wikidata, and so I am much >> more interested in making better tools for working with the data in >> Wikidata. :-) If you see what I mean. >> >> My idea with ws-search is that it will progressively pull more and more >> data from Wikidata, and only resort to HTML scraping where the data is >> missing from Wikidata. I'm attempting to encapsulate this logic in the >> `wikisource/api` PHP library. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 31 Oct 2017, at 11:14 PM, Thomas Pellissier Tanon wrote: >> > Hello Sam, >> > >> > Thank you for this nice feature! >> > >> > I have created a few months ago a prototype of Wikisource to Wikidata >> > importation tool for the French Wikisource based on the schema.org >> > annotation I have added to the main header template (I definitely think >> > we should move from our custom microformat to this schema.org markup >> that >> > could be much more structured). It's not yet ready but I plan to move it >> > forward in the coming weeks. A beginning of frontend to add to your >> > Wikidata common.js is here: >> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Tpt/ws2wd.js >> > We should probably find a way to merge the two projects. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Thomas >> > >> > > Le 31 oct. 2017 à 15:10, Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> >> a écrit : >> > > >> > > 2017-10-31 13:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: >> > > Sorry, I am much more of a Wikidatan than a Wikisourcerer! I was >> referring to items like this one >> > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21125368 >> > > >> > > No need to be sorry, that is actually a good question and this >> example is even better (I totally forgot this kind of case). >> > > >> > > For now, this is probably better to deal with it by hands (and I'm >> not sure what this tools can even do for this). >> > > >> > > Cdlt, ~nicolas >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Wikisource-l mailing list >> > > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikisource-l mailing list >> > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > Email had 1 attachment: >> > + signature.asc >> > 1k (application/pgp-signature) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> >> *_______________________________________________* >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > >
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