"Chad" <innocentkil...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5924f50a1001201622p20e1a9adi905ce14cf3c5d...@mail.gmail.com... > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Aryeh Gregor > <simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Happy-melon <happy-me...@live.com> >> wrote: >> >>> FlaggedRevs? Rollback? I guess the real position is neither black nor >>> white, and neither of our blanket statements are valid. My original >>> point >>> was that this is a particularly bad time to do this, because this is a >>> point >>> of contention on enwiki in particular. A better way of phrasing it >>> would be >>> to say that the communities' opinions are relevant but not binding on >>> sysadmin actions; where the area is more contentious, the community's >>> thoughts should be given a greater prominence. >> >> I'd put it differently: we don't have to *consult* the communities to >> change the software, but we should set the defaults to what most of >> them would *want* anyway, as far as we can tell (and subject to >> Wikimedia's mission). If we have reason to believe that some change >> (whether adding, removing, or modifying a feature) would tick off a >> particular community, that weighs against making the change, although >> not conclusively. So it might sometimes be reasonable to say "You >> shouldn't do that because most communities wouldn't want it", but not >> to say "You shouldn't do that because you haven't asked the >> communities about it". IMO. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > At this point, all I see is a discussion between two technologies that are > about equally difficult to implement for MediaWiki, provide roughly the > same benefits, varying largely in the semantics of how it's presented. In > any case, I'm inclined to agree with Happy-Melon on this issue, and I > think > we're going about it in the wrong way. > > If we've got access to this metadata, then sure, it should be distributed > in > as many formats as people show a desire to consume. This could be RDFa, > Microdata, or anything. Right now though, we do not have this metadata. > All we have is templates. Trying to extract this data from templates (or > by extension, parser/tag functions) is approaching the problem from the > wrong > direction. It still relies on input of wikitext into the edit form. We > need to > remember that wikitext is a markup language designed with presentation > in mind, not semantic data. This sort of page metadata (licenses, > categories, > etc) needs to be kept out of the edit page entirely. > > -Chad >
I think you got your threads in a twist... :-D --HM _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
