On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 08:39, Ilmari Karonen <nos...@vyznev.net> wrote:
> On 05/18/2010 08:53 AM, Michael Dale wrote: > > > > But in general its probably better / easier for end users to just > > identify their platform and whats not working, since its all code to > > them anyway. If they are a developer or are going to do something > > productive with what they are seeking they likely have the code checked > > out locally and use the debug mode. > > The problem here is Wikimedia sites. If you leave the debug mode off > and serve fully minified scripts on WMF sites, the hundreds if not > thousands of people who develop user/site scripts for them will have a > very hard time debugging anything that involves interactions with the > minified code. If you turn debug mode on permanently, you lose most of > the benefit of having a minifier to begin with (Wikimedia being the > single biggest user of MediaWiki). > > Then there's also the problem that the MediaWiki environment on > Wikimedia sites can be quite different from a stock install, and > duplicating enough of it on a test wiki to be able to reproduce a > Wikimedia-specific bug may be quite difficult -- particularly so if you > have to do this before you even know where the bug occurs, because you > couldn't do any useful debugging due to the code being minified. > > I'd like to second Aryeh's suggestion to at least tweak the minifier to > leave newlines intact (although collapsing multiple consecutive newlines > to one would be OK, I guess). That way users could at least set up > useful breakpoints and receive error messages that tell more than which > file the problem occurred in. > I would support "a url flag to avoid minification and or avoid script-grouping", as suggested by Michael Dale, or even to have a user preference for enable/disable minification in a more permanent way (so we don't need to change the url on each test: we just disable minification, debug the code and then enable it again) Helder _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
