Hi, glad to present our first demo on editing media wiki articles: http://www.screencast.com/t/NmMzMjVkNjUt Regards, Pavel
2010/8/3 Павел Петроченко <pa...@onpositive.com> > Hi, > > > >Yes, of course we are interested on it. > >Specifically, the ideal WISIWYG MediaWiki editor would allow easy > >WISIWYG editing to newbies, while still allowing to use the full > >wikisyntax to power users, without inserting crappy markup when using > >it, or reordering everything to its liking when WISIWYG was used to do a > >little change. > Thanks for the note, it may be an important issue. > > > >From the screencast, it seems your technology is based in a local > >application instead of web. That's is a little inconvenience for the > >users, but an acceptable one IMHO. You could plug your app as an > >external editor, see: > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:External_editors > > Yep according to my understanding this is major problem, but unfortunately > we are rich client developers, so going web is only in our future plans. > (Actually we are thinking about moving to it, but waiting for a first > customer to help with transition) > > On other side being a rich client app may add some benefits for advanced > users, which are still hard > to do in web apps (according to my poor desktop developer understanding). > > custom groupings, personal inbox, local for work flow/validation rules and > review. (just as initial examples) > > > >The problem that makes this really hard is that MediaWiki syntax is not > >nice. So I'm a bit skeptical about that fast quality editor. You can > >find in the list archives many discussions about it, and also in > wikitext-l. > >Things like providing a ribbon is a completely esthetical choice, it > >can't really help on the result of its editing. Maybe your backend is > >powerful enough to handle this without problems. Please, show me wrong :) > > Yep - already meet some crap in dealing with it(much more complex than, > Trac wiki one). > But still hope to over helm most of problems, in a couple of month > > > > I don't have an issue with there being a closed source Windows app that > > edits wikitext well, but then there is going to be a bit of a difficult > > transition from reading to editing and back again. > Yes, this is one of pote > > > > And just FYI, generally our community is more interested in free and > > cross-platform software than proprietary, single platform software. > Actually we are going to be open source and cross platform (we are Eclipse > RCP based) > > > > That was very interesting. Any chance the rest of us can try it for > > ourselves? > > Our media wiki support is at very early stage now. Actually we are still > not sure how much we are going to be committed into it, > If there will be enough interest (at least couple of volunteer beta > testers), we will start publishing builds somewhere. > > Regards, > Pavel > OnPositive Technologies. > > 2010/8/3 Neil Kandalgaonkar <ne...@wikimedia.org> > > On 8/2/10 9:29 AM, Павел Петроченко wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> At the moment we are discussing an opportunity to create full scale >>> true WYSIWYG client for media wiki. To the moment we have a technology >>> which should allow us to implement with a good quality and quite fast. >>> Unfortunately we are not sure >>> if there is a real need/interest for having such kind of client at the >>> media wiki world, as well as what are actual needs of media wiki >>> users. >>> >> >> Definitely interested. >> >> As for what the needs of MediaWiki users are, you can check out everything >> on http://usability.wikimedia.org/ . We are just beginning to address >> usability concerns. This study might be interesting to you: >> >> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability_and_Experience_Study >> >> >> >> P.S. Screen cast demonstrating our experimental client for Trac wiki >>> http://www.screencast.com/t/MDkzYzM4 >>> >> >> That was very interesting. Any chance the rest of us can try it for >> ourselves? >> >> I personally like the idea of a ribbon. I think we can assume that most >> wiki editors are always going to be novice editors, so taking up tremendous >> amounts of space by default to explain things is warranted. Experts should >> be able to drop into raw wikitext, or otherwise minimize the interface. >> >> I don't have an issue with there being a closed source Windows app that >> edits wikitext well, but then there is going to be a bit of a difficult >> transition from reading to editing and back again. >> >> And just FYI, generally our community is more interested in free and >> cross-platform software than proprietary, single platform software. >> >> Still it looks interesting. Please let us know more. >> >> -- >> Neil Kandalgaonkar (| <ne...@wikimedia.org> >> > > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
