On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Chad <innocentkil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Brion Vibber <br...@pobox.com> wrote: > > In my experience, the bots in the channel are an important part of our > > workflow -- new bug reports, bug updates, and patches in gerrit. When I'm > > discussing things in #wikimedia-dev I usually end up having to manually > add > > references to something that a bot already sent to #mediawiki, which is > one > > of the reasons I've always preferred using #mediawiki. > > > > Please don't make yet another split-off channel; that'll be annoying and > > make things more complicated for little if any benefit. > > > > I think I agree with Brion more than anyone else. I find the bots to > be incredibly useful, and jumping back and forth between channels > is a pain. Also like I've said multiple times in multiple places over > the past couple of days--when you move channels you fracture > discussion. It happened with #wikimedia-dev, and it'll happen again > here if we don't do this right. > > However, I see the argument to be made that if you're not a regular > then the bots can be rather annoying to filter out. And honestly, > someone who drops in for a few minutes to ask a question shouldn't > be asked to /ignore every random bot they see. > > Is there some middle ground here? > > -Chad > > I agree with all the above (hm.. I see a pattern emerging :D ). I think the middle ground is to keep the bots in a regular discussion channel, but not the channel where most support and new-user development takes place, but a channel where most core developers hang out. I'm talking about #wikimedia-dev. I'll cite myself from CR: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12388 : We should make the bots smarter, and spread out to relevant channels > (rather than everything in one channeL). But I don't think one (or more) > "bot channels" is going to work. The main concern raised (iirc) is that new > users don't like them. And I agree the 'user' level doesn't have much use > for them. A few ideas: * #mediawiki: wikibugs for Product=MediaWiki (maybe + MediaWiki extensions). > * #wikimedia-dev: wikibugs for Product=Wikimedia. * Other bugs are not sent to IRC (unless additional rules are inserted. > e.g. mobile could have their component output in their channel) * #wikimedia-dev: gerrit-wm messages currently assigned for #mediawiki > could be moved to #wikimedia-dev. That will reduce the flood for support, > while keeping them in the relevant context of developers and conversations. -- Krinkle _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
