On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM, John Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is an enhancement for that. > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51897 > > IMO the current behaviour isnt correct. There are so few instances > that nowiki is desirable, that the current VE should refuse to accept > wikitext (at least [[ and {{, and maybe ==, # and * at beginning of > line, etc ), until at least such time as they have sorted out all the > other bugs causing this to happen unintentionally. If the user needs > to input [[ or {{ they can use the source editor. Or the VE could > walk the user through each nowiki and either a) ask the user to > confirm they want the obvious fix done automatically for them, or b) > help them fix the problem. Before saving. > We disagree on that one then. VisualEditor is meant to hide wikitext entirely. The primary focus is on people that don't know wikitext. I agree that we should keep nowiki-fication to a minimum and get rid of the other bugs that cause this to happen, but I think the action we currently take when a user types in wikitext (which is to warn them and say "this won't work") is appropriate. VE is meant to be a visual editor, not a visual-except-with-weird-shortcuts-that-only-make-sense-if-you-know-the-legacy-markup-we-used-before-your-time editor.
That's my opinion. Actual product direction is not something I'm in charge of, that's James F's job, but AFAIK our current product direction is similar to what I just said. > nowiki is also being inserted at beginning of lines. > > https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yacimiento_de_Son_Forn%C3%A9s&diff=prev&oldid=68561708 > https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Lindpere&curid=5580501&diff=95038161&oldid=95037498 > That's because the lines start with a space, which triggers a <pre> if not nowiki-ed. Obviously the correct thing to do there is just remove the space, but we haven't fixed that yet. > instead of lists > > https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jorge_Eslava&diff=68542729&oldid=68451155 > Once again that's people typing wikitext into VE, which is not supported. > There are 24 open bugs for 'visualeditor nowiki' > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?title=Special%3ASearch&quicksearch=visualeditor%20nowiki&list_id=219994 > A lot of those are parts of symptoms of other bugs, and I'm pretty sure a few of them are duplicates. <nowiki> often appears when something else goes wrong and Parsoid attempts to fix things. Roan _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
