My apologies for the ham handed email. I'm supportive of the opt out feature while ve is in beta. Going forward I agree with the notion that experienced editors know what editor they want to use before the page completely loads. I like the idea of a preference to select a default editor. — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Rob Moen <rm...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I personally know for a fact nobody is trying to trick the user in this case. > We are simply trying to make editing easier for new editors without > confusing them. As a membwr f the visual editor team, I'm supportive of our > advanced and seemingly more important editors opt-out during the beta. > — > Sent from Mailbox for iPhone > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 21:23, Tim Starling > <tstarl...@wikimedia.org="mailto:tstarl...@wikimedia.org";>> wrote: > On 23/07/13 04:36, Erik Moeller wrote: >> 1) Section editing behavior - the hybrid link display is mildly >> annoying, and doesn't work for touch interfaces; > I think it's a bit more than mildly annoying, and I think it's the > main reason users are so desperate to disable VE completely instead of > simply not clicking on it. > Consider it from a cognitive point of view: > Half the time (e.g. on talk pages), the section edit link will go to > the old edit page, and the other half, it will flash an "edit source" > link at you for the 100ms or so it takes to stabilise the cursor > position and execute a mouse click, and then it will launch the visual > editor. Often, the user is punished for clicking on the wrong link by > having their browser lock up for 15 seconds. > Habit formation is cleverly avoided by changing the function of the > link depending on what namespace you are on. > I know that this crafty UI was introduced to encourage users to use > the new editor. The trouble is, this assumes that users have no idea > which editor they want to use, and thus will happily use whatever > editor the JS can trick them into clicking. But, I suspect, most users > have decided which editor they want to use before they start moving > their mouse. > I think users should be encouraged to use VE by making VE really > awesome, and by promoting its awesomeness, rather than by trying to > trick them into using it. > -- Tim Starling > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
