On 21 August 2015 at 21:11, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> On 16 August 2015 at 04:06, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > that is an impressive list, amir. WMF hast its terms of use: >> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use (TOU) . admitted, an >> > illegible monster compared to the simple statements below, like >> > contributor covenant. i honestly do not think that an open movement >> > like the wikimedia movement should invent any new terms, licenses, >> > codes, but influence existing ones. by putting your stuff on the >> > mediawiki.org site you and all contributors are bound to the TOU. and >> > we already see that the many rules contradict each other in little >> > areas, they cannot be updated fast enough without an army of persons. >> > the terms of use e.g. suggest to use CC-BY-SA 3.0, which lead to a >> > collection of law suites in germany, while CC-BY-SA 4.0 would have >> > prevented at least some of them, see here: >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-July/078685.html >> > . >> >> I don't understand how the terms of use or copyright license relate in >> any way to codes of conduct. >> >> If you mean "we should be looking for good examples of existing >> enforcement mechanisms or language", I absolutely agree, and that is >> part of what the Code of Conduct is trying to do. >> >> i mean that we duplicate text in hundreds of slightly differing rules, > guidelines, policies, terms, codes, in different languages. this inflation > of texts is very special to the wikimedia movement. my personal expectation > would be that movement paid persons do have as main task to reduce the > complexity for volunteers, readers, writers, photographers, coders, etc. > and as second task, they support innovative techniques. we should not > forget it takes time to write stuff, and it takes exponentially more time > to read it. if we make a wikimedia policy, it has the potential to be read > by 1 billion people. reading policies and writing policies can be > considered as waste because it is not the mission of wikipedia, not the > mission of WMF :) coming back to the example terms of use, they state: > *Civility* – You support a civil environment and do not harass other > users. paragraph > 4 vastly elaborates on it. a 90% duplicate of the code of conduct. brion, > civility _is_ enforced already today by the terms of use, nothing new > necessary. > > how does this relate to copyright license? directly not really, but i tried > to hint that i would expect a technical solution from a technical person. > as example where our written rules go wrong i cited the thread about > licenses and reuse in commons, in two aspects. ONE, updating a lot of > policies is a sisyphus task, and the WMF fails already today. the terms of > use include still the old CC license, using the new one would prevent law > suits in germany. TWO, you oliver, matt, quim and other technicians, would > have the responsibility to come up with technical solutions to exactly this > community problem, not paper. can we add metadata to images: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-July/078782.html. > problem would be solved by a technical implementation and maybe adapting > the license. which, in my biased opinion, has a huge impact and solves the > problem at source for 120 million german speaking persons, and probably in > many other countries as well.
We shouldn't be adopting a technical code of conduct because it's irrelevant because it already exists and ANYWAYS it's far more important that a C++ and R programmer who does data vis for our Search team work out how to insert metadata into images. Okay. > > best, > rupert > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
