Thank you Zppix. I think that’s an awesome idea! Let me work with Quim to see what is possible and when and I will get back to you.
Best, Victoria > On Apr 28, 2017, at 3:52 PM, zppix e <megadev44s.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Victoria, re-quoting from my original reply: "A suggestion would be to host > a annual cloud (remote) hackathon type event where participants can join > via hangouts. I'd be willing to help organize this if need be. I think it > would help users that may not be comfortable traveling or don't feel like > applying for travel funds from WMF or don't have the funds in general. I > also think this would help users that aren't per say developers get their > issues heard and worked on without waiting months for a task to be > seen/replied/worked on. It could also be used by developers to talk with > WMF staff "face to face". " > > Thanks, > Zppix > Volunteer Developer for WMF > www.enwp.org/User:Zppix > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Victoria Coleman <vcole...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I think I am having a(nother) senior moment! I don’t recall what event you >> have in mind. Sorry! Can you please remind me? >> >> Victoria >> >>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, zppix e <megadev44s.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Victoria, >>> Thanks for replying quickly, however what about the event I suggested, >> any >>> thoughts on that? >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Victoria Coleman < >> vcole...@wikimedia.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> Quim and his team have indeed thought through the totality of tech >>>> community events and I am sure he can respond here with his thoughts. >>>> Regarding the MediaWiki roadmap, the thinking is that by publishing it >> we >>>> a/make planning for 3rd party users much more feasible, b/inform the >>>> community about what the Foundation will be doing so that we can avoid >>>> overlap, and c/hopefully incentivize broader participation by the >>>> community in the formulation and delivery of the roadmap. >>>> >>>> I hope this makes sense. >>>> >>>> Victoria >>>> >>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Different events serve very different purposes, though - hackathons, >> for >>>> instance, seem to be largely useful for onboarding newcomers and giving >>>> staff and other occupational contributors an opportunity to work on >>>> projects separate from their usual work, basically whatever they feel >> like >>>> doing, as opposed to what they have to. But these often don't do much >> for >>>> established volunteers, as a result, who generally just work on whatever >>>> they feel like all the time already. Have you looked into how the roles >> of >>>> these different events fit together across all the different groups, and >>>> how scopes affect them (regional, topical, etc)? This would also be >> useful >>>> for chapters/groups planning their own events. >>>>> >>>>> How exactly is publishing a roadmap going to help facilitate community >>>> contributions? >>>>> >>>>> -I >>>>> >>>>> On 27/04/17 03:11, Victoria Coleman wrote: >>>>>> Hi Isarra, >>>>>> >>>>>> thank you for the question. We want to support our diverse technical >>>> communities in a variety of ways. One of our key tools are the >> hackathons, >>>> where we hope to welcome both seasoned and new volunteer developers. We >>>> want to support them not just by providing a series of events but also >> with >>>> tools and WMF staff time. These are the key goals of our new Wikimedia >>>> Cloud Services team. They build and make labs and tools available and >>>> participate in the hackathons to onboard newcomers and in general assist >>>> volunteers. Another key change we are making this year is creating the >>>> MediaWiki Platform team who as well as doing much needed work on the >>>> codebase will also facilitate contributions and planning with the >> volunteer >>>> community by publishing a roadmap. And as Quim notes below we are >> changing >>>> the nature of the Dev Summit to have it focus on the strategic >> technology >>>> issues and decisions the Movement is faced with. As such it is an event >>>> that might appeal more to the seasoned members of our community. >> Attendance >>>> for the summit will be decided on the basis of position papers for WMF >>>> staff and volunteers alike. I am personally excited about the lineup of >>>> events this coming year. But as always we learn and adapt. If we >>>> collectively decide to try for a different configuration the following >>>> year, we can totally do that. Please keep the feedback coming! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Victoria >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding the Developers Summit in particular, how do you plan to >>>> reconcile making the event smaller with your goal of better retention of >>>> newcomers and volunteers in general when that's often the only venue >> they >>>> have at which to discuss the high-level technical issues with other >>>> stakeholders? Volunteer and third-party developers are not privy to >> most of >>>> the usual venues afforded to WMF staff such as inter-team meetings and >>>> events, and yet they make up an important part of the overall >> stakeholder >>>> community that these issues impact. They - we - need to be able to >>>> participate in these discussions, and the Developers Summit is one of >> very >>>> few opportunities even open to us where we can make our voices heard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20/04/17 07:28, Quim Gil wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Quim Gil<q...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, the Wikimedia Foundation has published a draft of its Annual >> Plan >>>>>>>>> FY2017-18 >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ >>>> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft> >>>>>>>>> and it welcomes your review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I want to highlight here the improvements that we are proposing to >>>> the >>>>>>>>> developer events (co)organized by the WMF. From local to global: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Technical Collaboration team proposes to combine multiple >>>> activities >>>>>>>>> (often disconnected) in a single program focusing on onboarding new >>>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ >>>> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Community_Engagement# >>>> Program_12:_Onboarding_new_developers>. We >>>>>>>>> want to work with the Wikimedia technical community to bring a new >>>> wave of >>>>>>>>> developers to our projects, and events play an important role. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Local developer events >>>>>>>>> We want to support developers and organizations willing to reach >> out >>>> to >>>>>>>>> specific groups and geographies. We are hoping to see many local >>>> developer >>>>>>>>> meetups and small hackathons or workshops around the World, >> starting >>>> small >>>>>>>>> and simple. We should be able to offer introductory materials, >>>> contacts >>>>>>>>> with Wikimedia developers in the region, maybe travel budget to >> send >>>>>>>>> experienced volunteers to help mentoring the in the bigger events, >>>> maybe >>>>>>>>> travel budget to invite the best newcomers to our regional and >> global >>>>>>>>> events. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adding tech to regional Wikimedia events >>>>>>>>> Last year we experimented organizing technical workshops in >>>> WikiArabia, >>>>>>>>> and others have done similar efforts in other regional events (for >>>>>>>>> instance, a small hackathon next to WikiConference India). We want >>>> to work >>>>>>>>> with the organizers of these regional events in order to attract >>>>>>>>> experienced Wikimedia developers and newcomers, organize developer >>>>>>>>> activities, and also improve the collaboration between the >> technical >>>> and >>>>>>>>> non-technical contributors in these regions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Better retention of newcomers at the Wikimedia and Wikimania >>>> hackathons >>>>>>>>> Although we don't expect major changes in the organization of the >>>>>>>>> Wikimedia Hackathon and the hackathon at Wikimania, we want to >> focus >>>> better >>>>>>>>> on new developers onboarding and retention. In every Hackathon we >>>> meet many >>>>>>>>> new developers, but the retention rates are very low. We want to >>>> review >>>>>>>>> what we can do before, during, and after these apparently >> successful >>>> events >>>>>>>>> in order to retain newcomers better. One hypothesis is that we >>>> should focus >>>>>>>>> call for participation, scholarships, and Wikimedia Foundation >>>>>>>>> participation in providing a great experience to new volunteers who >>>> have >>>>>>>>> gone through local and regional events, and also "junior" >> developers >>>> coming >>>>>>>>> from wiki projects through the development of bots, gadgets, tools, >>>>>>>>> templates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A smaller and more focused Wikimedia Developer Summit >>>>>>>>> After some discussions between Community Engagement, Technology, >> and >>>>>>>>> Product, we have decided to propose a different approach for the >>>> Wikimedia >>>>>>>>> Developer Summit. Organized by the Technology department as part of >>>> their technical >>>>>>>>> community building >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ >>>> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Technology#Program_4: >>>> _Technical_community_building> >>>>>>>>> efforts, we want the Summit to finally become the venue where the >>>> toughest >>>>>>>>> technical problems are discussed between the stakeholders directly >>>> related. >>>>>>>>> We want to reduce the size/budget of the event, separate it from >> the >>>> WMF >>>>>>>>> AllHands, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Due to travel budget considerations, the Summit still might be >>>> connected to >>>>>>>> the WMF AllHands. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and define its main themes well in advance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A Program Committee<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160996> >>>> would >>>>>>>>> decide these main themes to be discussed at the Summit. We also >> want >>>> to >>>>>>>>> explore the possibility of tackling some of these themes at the >>>> Wikimedia >>>>>>>>> Hackathon and Wikimania, where we could get most stakeholders >>>> involved with >>>>>>>>> just a little extra effort (since many of them would be attending >>>> anyway). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We believe that this approach will serve better the Wikimedia >>>> technical >>>>>>>>> community that we have, and also the the community that we want to >>>> have, >>>>>>>>> with a new wave of developers joining our various projects. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Quim Gil >>>>>>>>> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation >>>>>>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
