I spoke about a possible change rather than the current behaviour. But I understand.
2017-07-25 15:07 GMT+02:00 John <phoenixoverr...@gmail.com>: > Bináris the root issue is that mediawiki doesnt see Null edits as an edit, > it sees them more as a purge with forcelinkupdate=True. The logs that > contain that information are not in mediawiki, but rather the webserver > logs. Exposing those logs is a privacy issue. Second if there are > performance issues the Ops staff have access to those logs and will use > them to troubleshoot. No one on wiki can do anything about Null Bots, nor > should it be something they worry about. > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Bináris <wikipo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2017-07-25 14:35 GMT+02:00 Dan Garry <dga...@wikimedia.org>: > > > > > By definition, a null edit does not perform any change at all, and is > > > therefore not recorded publicly since there's technically nothing to > > > record. I suspect the only way you could find this kind of information > is > > > in the server logs, and access to those is very tightly restricted for > > > privacy reasons. > > > > > > > I understand, but I think it would be worth to discuss this *therefore.* > > Nulledits are not subjects of privacy protection, they are now in > protected > > logs only accidentally or for historical reasons. If there is an action > > noticed by the server (definitely there is, because it has an effect on > the > > page, that's why people often do it), it may be logged in the way real > > edits are. > > > > This would be also be useful for researchers. One may be interested in > the > > pattern of null edits, the quantity of them (e.g. is it useful to null > edit > > 20.000 pages because of the change of a template, or is it actual to find > > some better way of making the changes visible?). > > If there is no reason to exclude these from logs (I don't see any), we > > should make them visible. Perhaps not by default, but with a switch. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- Bináris _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
