In the depths of that dark day Sun Aug 05, the words of Michael Leone were the beacon:
> On 05 Aug 2001 11:38:10 -0400, Andy Bastien wrote:
> > In the depths of that dark day Sun Aug 05, the words of Michael Leone were the
>beacon:
> > > On 05 Aug 2001 15:59:46 +0200, Jens Benecke wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 10:46:21PM -0700, TheDarb wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Saturday 04 August 2001 12:14 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 11:22:45AM -0700, TheDarb wrote:
> > > > > > > now. That'd be fine and all, but they are moving all of our windows
> > > > > > > accounts to new Win2k domains that require Win2k to allow login.
> > > > > > You can do the Win2k logins with Samba TNG (or Samba 2.2.x). you don't
> > > > > > need win4lin or VMware for accessing directories on the server IIRC.
> > > > > I only need it for Outlook 2k. Hence Samba won't do me a bit of good.
> > > >
> > > > Right.... I don't know about the login stuff you mentioned above (Samba
> > > > would probably be the way to go there) but if Outlook is the problem, can't
> > > > you check out your Outlook mail via POP3/IMAP?
> > >
> > > But you can't get meeting notifications, public folders, etc - all the
> > > OTHER, collaborative things that Outlook can do - that way. It's not
> > > just a mail client, you know.
> > >
> >
> > The public folders you can access through IMAP.
>
> Not the shared folders of other users.
>
> > Meeting notifications are received as standard emails, but you don't get pop-up
>reminders.
>
> And you can't send acceptances/rejections, nor can you check free time
> statuses of other employees.
>
> > OWA gives you access to your calendar and contacts, although it
> > doesn't have all of the features of the Outlook client (including the
> > sending-email-to-100-of-your-contacts-without-asking feature).
>
> Nor does it show any mail folders, except for those under the inbox. At
> least not for OWA on Exchange 5.5.
>
> > You can search the address book with an LDAP client, and the contacts and
> > calendar are viewable via IMAP, although they just look like emails.
>
> Assuming you can convince the mail admins to activate that feature for
> you. Not all like to activate all those features, just because one or
> two employees want them.
>
> > All this assumes that the Exchange administrators know what they're
> > doing and have configured the servers correctly. If you've got a
> > bunch of paper MCSEs they probably haven't.
>
>
All I'm trying to do is point out what you can do without Outlook.
Your response seems to imply that you might as not even bother trying
to use anything else. Nowhere have I stated that there is any
complete replacement. Indeed, Microsoft's entire purpose of the
Outlook/Exchange design is to lock users into their products and, as
much as possible, remove their options. In spite of this, it is in
their best interests to make Exchange interoperate with clients on
other operating systems; there are many large companies and
institutions with a great deal of money invested in Unix systems and
these companies won't buy Exchange if it doesn't work with their
existing networks (and it gets Microsoft's foot in the door).
You can access all of your folders in OWA (5.5). You can create and
delete forlders. You can also send meeting requests, check on
attendee availability, and accept and decline meeting requests. I've
done all this, and can report that OWA works very well with the recent
versions of Mozilla and Galeon (it's one of the few things Microsoft
has done well...see my previous point). As far as I know, it is true
that you cannot access other users' shared folders.
LDAP should enabled and configured correctly because that's how
Outlook Express and Netscape Messenger and many other clients access
the address book. It's a standard cross-platform method of retrieving
user information (among other things). The only exception would be if
the administrators' goal is to force everyone to use Outlook only and
CW mode only. If that is the case, then you're probably screwed
anyway.
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