Heh, sorry gang. I didn't want to start a debate.
Here's my problem... The Boeing Company does everything it can to make you
use windows. So much so, I can only believe they are in bed with MS.
They demand exchange/outlook for company email, scheduling and shared folder
access. Then, they turned off IMAP and POP. Then they previewed OWA, we
loved it... So much so, they took it away. Now to top it off... They are
migrating all of our windows accounts to new Windows 2k *only* accounts.
Once everyone has had their desktop replaced with Win2k, they will enforce
login scripts that make it so Win98, Win95 and WinME cannot log into the
windows network.
This rules out both Win4Lin and the cheaper 95/98 only version of VMWare.
Will Boeing buy me the more expensive VMWare? Nope.
As for the using Samba to access shares... I haven't had a chance to try it
with the new Win2k only topography yet. Our account names will become
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and with them denying access to anything that
will not run the Win2k specific login scripts, I'm not sure yet if Samba will
actually work or not.
This isn't a problem with Win4Lin, my main gripe was that the Win4Lin I
bought never was able to be used... not even before Boeing employed these
draconian(sp?) deeds. This was due to a bug in Win4Lin with using DHCP to a
DHCP server that was served over a router.
Either way, I'd be having to get rid of Win4Lin in the long run... my
employer has taken great strides to make sure of it. I would just like to
have gotten some use out of it before it was too late.
I know someone else posted they got Outlook working in winsock mode... I was
never able to duplicate your efforts. I tried. Outlook 2k still just hangs
after submitting my login.
Be aware, Netraverse... Microsoft is doing its damnedest to stop products
like yours. Convincing the NT factions of corporations to employ techniques
that make your product moot in the work place. Granted not every company is
so much a slave to Microsoft... but mine is. And Boeing is quite a large
customer you unfortunately can no longer have. :(
*TheDarb
On Sunday 05 August 2001 11:01 am, you wrote:
> On 05 Aug 2001 13:33:03 -0400, Andy Bastien wrote:
> > All I'm trying to do is point out what you can do without Outlook.
>
> And I'm trying to point out that - depending on circumstances, such as
> corporate requirements - you can't.
>
> > Your response seems to imply that you might as not even bother trying
> > to use anything else. Nowhere have I stated that there is any
>
> Nope; I'm pointing out that saying "just use IMP/LDAP for mail", as you
> stated, is a very over-simplified and non-feasible answer in many cases.
>
> > complete replacement. Indeed, Microsoft's entire purpose of the
> > Outlook/Exchange design is to lock users into their products and, as
> > much as possible, remove their options. In spite of this, it is in
> > their best interests to make Exchange interoperate with clients on
> > other operating systems; there are many large companies and
> > institutions with a great deal of money invested in Unix systems and
> > these companies won't buy Exchange if it doesn't work with their
> > existing networks (and it gets Microsoft's foot in the door).
>
> None of which is relevant to the original user's problem - which is that
> he *needs* to be able to use Outlook 2K, since that has become his
> company's standard email/groupware client.
>
> Altho you should be able to use Outlook 2K on Win98, altho I haven't
> actually tried it. I know Outlook itself runs.
>
> > You can access all of your folders in OWA (5.5). You can create and
>
> I have 2 dozen folders under my mailbox, but not under my inbox, that do
> NOT show up when I use OWA (5.5).
>
> > LDAP should enabled and configured correctly because that's how
> > Outlook Express and Netscape Messenger and many other clients access
> > the address book. It's a standard cross-platform method of retrieving
> > user information (among other things). The only exception would be if
> > the administrators' goal is to force everyone to use Outlook only and
> > CW mode only. If that is the case, then you're probably screwed
> > anyway.
>
> If Outlook is the mandated standard, as noted previously, there would be
> no reason to activate LDAP on an Exchange, since it isn't required for
> the mandated software. And you shouldn't run non-necessary services on
> your servers, from a security stand-point. And you can't reasonably
> expect corporate admin to support non-mandated software; you MIGHT be
> able to. Or might NOT.
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