Why not use sigwin? My knolege is a bit in the negative in this field. I'm learning about this stuff to produce one day a set of tutorials but for now I"m doing the learning and mumbling through. lol!
Good luck. On Aug 10, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sarah > > If there’s feedback on the remote console, SSH is a possibility, yes. I’ll > need to find some sort of reliable SSH server for Windows. > > Kindest regards > > <--- Gordon Smith ---> > <[email protected]> > > Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; > Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, Plus > I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired > Department at: > Sunnyside Academy > Manor Farm Way > Colby Newham > Middlesbrough > Cleveland > United Kingdom > [Currently In Summer Recess] > > > On 8 Aug 2014, at 18:30, Sarah k Alawami <[email protected]> wrote: > > Why not use SSH? I have a firend who has sigwin on their computer and they > ssh in to my com to remotely control it when Im away out of town or what not. > The good thing is that ssh is accessible from anyware and the prompts look > the same as I'm beginning to find out. > > Take care. > On Aug 8, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Mike >> >> Your sentences are so long, but I think I get the gist. :) >> >> In Windows, I too am finding myself using Jaws most of the time. I’ve got >> two licenses for version 15, and I’ve just finished the process of ordering >> the second one to be remote access enabled. On the subject of RA, I am >> confused about something. The document which Sight And Sound sent me I >> don’t seem to be able to access. But from what I’ve read in the help >> documentation, I am given to understand that in order to get a session >> running, using Jaws Tandon, the key file is necessary to be entered on the >> server, or text typed into a dialogue. If that’s the case, then it isn’t >> possible to do full remote access unattended. Is that correct? If so, then >> it kind of negates the object of the exercise. I want it so that I can >> access the server here at home from work, so that I can manipulate files >> directly. But if somebody needs to type in a key text every 60 minutes, >> then this isn’t the object I needed. In which case, I will have little >> option other than to install and use Window-Eyes, which makes use of >> Terminal Services properly. So could somebody confirm this for me? >> >> Kindest regards >> >> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >> <[email protected]> >> >> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >> Department at: >> Sunnyside Academy >> Manor Farm Way >> Colby Newham >> Middlesbrough >> Cleveland >> United Kingdom >> [Currently In Summer Recess] >> >> On 28 Jul 2014, at 19:22, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Gordon >> >> I used to be a Kurzweil user for the longest time and my wife had open book >> on her computer so that's what we use here now I have found open book to be >> a lot more accurate then what Kurzweil used to be I keep thinking that I >> will relearn window eyes. I haven't used it in many years and I'm so >> ingrained and jaws and parsley NVDA that I really need to take the time is >> about noise. I have been copied to office because I have a Baller 2010 and >> 2013 license so I have it installed just have not played with it I am known >> for having Brenda my job is IOM one of the biggest issues is a certain >> computers in the house that I need the full copy of screenwriter and don't >> want to use NVDA however I run out of keys very quickly because of that fact >> because one of the computers we have here is a test for software that were >> looking for a new business but some of the requires a reinstalls the IOM >> system is horrible I had a custom-built computer that got lost in the move >> but every time UFI down what update it would break along with many other >> things that would happen on the custom computer I had a not I had a Mac and >> my total voice of it worked. However I had to get rid of it due to so many >> incompatibilities with systems at work and my home network I didn't want to >> have to redo the server and stuff but I had to make the whole thing work so >> I'm using a share of a windows in the Linux server to get done what I need >> to do I played with the Mac server and I found so many horrible things in it >> that I didn't like so didn't bother after setting one up I hope that freedom >> someday gets out of there all talk and changing some policies kiss they are >> ugly I've used them for so many years though i've noticed a lot of changes >> and Josh steadily since nine I'm just hoping that they can continue and >> hopefully out enough and do more that will change things I think with them >> changing their restrictions on standard and changing at home and removing >> some of the restrictions is a start in the right direction but we'll see how >> much more than willing to give GW micro will at least let me running on a VM >> on officially however if you till freedom that they will make an issue that >> you're running Josh on BBM as far as the Sarah I had that you simply with >> when yet but I'm hoping I was hoping to have also want to Pro camera and I'm >> actually thinking that I'm going to give my wife Maefel braille edge then >> get a focus 40 because I've had a lot of problems with my braille display >> and Josh >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mike >>> >>> GW Micro has, to their credit, offered network admins the ability to use >>> Windows as though it were local for several years. In fact, I think they >>> are probably ahead of Freedom in this area. The concept of Freedom’s >>> licensing policies worries me a little, and I find it very restrictive. >>> I’m not sure whether they restrict the servers you can use, or whether it >>> is just the client which is restricted. But all the same, having the >>> facility readily available in Window-Eyes does hold some appeal for me. >>> >>> Window-Eyes is very fast actually, when remotely accessing another >>> computer. I tried it once via the Internet, and listened to the actual >>> client system over the phone so that I could get an idea of how fast it was >>> reacting. I was getting the audio feedback on my machine just about half a >>> second, if that, behind that of the actual speakers on the server system >>> itself. Locally, on the same Windows network, it’s like lightning. >>> >>> I have not as yet tried Jaws remote, as I say, because I want to see what >>> their terms are before I invest money into that technology. Freedom do >>> nothing for nothing, that is for sure. They seem to spare no thought at >>> all for the budget of somebody for whom these ventures are personal. All >>> they talk about on their website and in their brochures are “Corporate” >>> this, and “Business” that. Actually, their ILM system is not without its >>> problems as well. One of my laptops is exhibiting a very strange problem. >>> When I start the machine from cold boot, Jaws goes into demo mode, and I’m >>> prompted to update the authorisation. I have to do a warm reboot in order >>> to have it see the fact that the ILM key is there. Warm rebooting solves >>> the issue as I said, but it’s a very odd one. OpenBook 9 is installed on >>> the same system and that does not exhibit the problem. In fact, just >>> changing subject for a moment. OpenBook 9 is, when configured properly, a >>> very accurate OCR system when used with the Pearl camera. I am fortunate >>> enough to own a license for OpenBook, funded by Access To Work for me to >>> use at my place of work. Even text close too, or in-picture text is >>> sometimes recognised correctly if the software is properly configured. I >>> routinely set OpenBook to default with the most accurate “FineReader” >>> engine, rather than the default which is, correct me if I’m wrong, the >>> Nuance Omnipage) engine. ABBYY is way ahead of the game I think and that’s >>> why it is used cross-platform technologies in OpenBook. But one of the >>> things that initially caught my attention when I started using OpenBook was >>> the speed of its recognition function. I also very much like the way it >>> handles workflows and it wasn’t long before I I started creating workflows >>> customised for my own specific situations. I could sit here and write pages >>> and pages about this software, its good and its bad points. But were I to >>> do so, I’d probably exceed the list limits. >>> >>> On another point, I also own a Sara CE, Freedom Scientific’s stand-alone >>> OCR system. I’m quite glad that I didn’t pay for the acquisition of the >>> Sara CE myself, or I would have been feeling very cheated by now. >>> >>> SARA FB is the version with the flatbed scanner, and SARA CE is the Camera >>> Edition, hence the suffix. The SARA technology is actually nothing more >>> than a standard PC running under Windows XP with a custom interface. The >>> actual computer that powers it is based on an AMD Athlon 1.0 GHZ with 512MB >>> of RAM and a 160GB ATA hard drive. >>> >>> My guess is that Freedom’s developers did some kind of deal with a hardware >>> supplier, then they bought a manufacturer’s OEM license for Windows XP >>> which allows them to install it on as many systems as they need. There are >>> actually some subtle differences in the main board configurations. For >>> example, my own unit has not just the two audio output sockets that Freedom >>> advertise, but it also has a complete onboard SoundBlaster Live, with mic >>> in, line in and line out sockets on the rear. It uses a system shared >>> onboard video system, and on the rear panel there are 4 USB inputs, a DVI >>> and VGA monitor connection pair and a socket for a PS2 keyboard. Oh yes, >>> and I forgot to mention the Parallel port. I didn’t find any of those >>> extras mentioned in the system specifications. On the front panel there >>> are also two small 8ø speakers which are actually not bad quality for >>> music. Not hi-fi, of course, but I’ve heard far worse. >>> >>> finally, on top of that, they run their own OpenBook software, customised >>> to work with the hardware they use for their interface, and a modified >>> Pearl camera. They charge around $1,000 USD for that, which I personally >>> think is a horrendous rip-off. They probably picked up the volume supply >>> of motherboards for a couple of bucks each. The hard drives probably cost >>> around the same amount. The software probably works out at about the same, >>> maybe just a bit more, and their own modified version of OpenBook was, of >>> course, all in-house anyway. They spout the same usual excuse, development >>> costs, for the horrendous price of the unit. But that excuse has worn >>> pretty thin by now, to be honest. >>> >>> They must make a terrific profit on every unit they ship. In their >>> defence, yes, it is true to say that the unit does work very well. But >>> essentially all you have is a single task, OpenBook, running under Windows >>> XP. Even on a machine with those specifications, i’d have been amazed if >>> it hadn’t worked seamlessly. >>> >>> Yes, to be totally fair, the SARA CE provides an excellent interface >>> especially for those who have little or no vision and who want something >>> that’s powerful yet easy to use in order to scan mail, read books, etc. >>> Yes, it’s only fair to say it, the SARA has proven an invaluable tool in my >>> own locker when I’m at my place of work. A lot of my job involves Braille >>> transcription work and, in those instances where I cannot find an >>> electronic version of the book I’m working on in the educational library, >>> (to which I have access), to use as source, I rely heavily on OCR solutions >>> to gather my material. Occasionally I use off-the-shelf solutions to scan. >>> But most of the time I use a combination of SARA CE, OpenBook 9 and, very >>> occasionally, a pair of eyes borrowed from one of my colleagues if she >>> happens to be able to spare them. >>> >>> OpenBook and SARA share the same overall operating environment and actually >>> they both run a customised copy of JAWS 11.0 to provide the Braille and >>> speech interface. >>> >>> When you use JAWS as your primary screen-reader, a very clever piece of >>> switching takes place behind the scenes. Jaws automatically detects the >>> OpenBook presence and releases control of the speech API and the Braille >>> display while the OpenBook window has focus. In the case of the Braille >>> display, you do need to be running a Focus or something, one of the Freedom >>> displays at any rate, for the switching to work properly. OpenBook only >>> has direct support for Freedom’s hardware which, I guess, makes sense >>> really. >>> >>> Having used this system for about 9 months now, I’m actually very happy >>> with it. It gets results for me, no doubt about that. But I find >>> Freedom’s licensing policies very ugly, to be honest. For example, if one >>> has a valid license for Jaws on their system, you’d think that maybe the >>> OpenBook mighty be covered as well. But sadly, that isn’t the case. >>> >>> Kindest regards >>> >>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >>> Department at: >>> Sunnyside Academy >>> Manor Farm Way >>> Colby Newham >>> Middlesbrough >>> Cleveland >>> United Kingdom >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2014, at 13:05, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Gordon >>> >>> It makes me wonder if now that Jaws is writing their stuff for home and >>> business if things will change. I know they said as of 16 you were still >>> going to pay for the add-ons but I'm thinking at some point they may go >>> ahead and write it completely and to Josh pro. I'm going to retain my dross >>> Pro and probably pick up an actual paid copy of wind was. I prefer >>> eloquence over the other speech since anyway. So it'll be interesting to >>> see what actually happens. I will be very interested to hear you're out >>> comes with window eyes. I will still probably pick up a copy of window eyes >>> just have one it's always good to have a few cents around I had looked into >>> the dolphin access I've heard they're pretty far behind as well in the >>> accessibility for network Edmonds >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mike >>>> >>>> With Window-Eyes version 6 and later, Remote Access via Citrix or >>>> Microsoft Remote Terminal services is built-in, if you own a Professional >>>> license to the product. >>>> >>>> Actually though, as I understand it, Window-Eyes is being given its long >>>> overdue total rewrite, which will obviously be a paid upgrade when it is >>>> released. But finally, it seems, GW Micro has acknowledge the horrendous >>>> latency introduced by Window-Eyes with its huge footprint. If they are >>>> now producing true 64-bit code, I am sure that we will see dramatically >>>> improved responsiveness throughout the entire product, not just with >>>> remote sessions. >>>> >>>> But I am about to see whether or not I can install it into my Windows 8.1 >>>> native system, as I only have a full setup of Window-Eyes 8.2 and the >>>> current version, the one being distributed free of charge, is version 8.4. >>>> Anybody who owns a license to Windows 8.1 and/or Microsoft Office 2010 or >>>> later automatically qualifies for a free license to Window-Eyes. I will >>>> contact GW Micro as I am keen to retain my registered serial number if >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards >>>> >>>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >>>> Department at: >>>> Sunnyside Academy >>>> Manor Farm Way >>>> Colby Newham >>>> Middlesbrough >>>> Cleveland >>>> United Kingdom >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Telephone: >>>> >>>> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >>>> 0800 8620538 >>>> >>>> United Kingdom Geographic: >>>> 01133 280547 >>>> Mobile: >>>> +44 7907 823971 >>>> >>>> Europe and other non-specified: >>>> +44 1642 688095 >>>> >>>> United States Of America And Canada: >>>> +1 646 9151493 >>>> Or: >>>> +1 209 436 9443 >>>> >>>> Australasia: >>>> +61 38 8205930 >>>> Or: >>>> +61 39 0284505 >>>> >>>> Fax: >>>> +44 1642 365123 >>>> >>>> Follow Us On Twitter: >>>> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >>>> >>>> Skype: >>>> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26 Jul 2014, at 22:58, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Gordon >>>> >>>> I am curious to see what your point of view is if you get when doors to >>>> work do you have to pay extra for the RDP in Citrix access I need to do >>>> that with my jaws as well so I will see what happens I'm going to have the >>>> money to upgrade to and at the features I'm running 15 and I get 16 anyway >>>> but will review my SMEs when I get the chance and by the Adams just have >>>> them figured it would be better for job's point of view anyway >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mike >>>>> >>>>> Were it not for the fact that Window-Eyes 8.2 won’t install under Windows >>>>> 8.1 natively, allowing you to upgrade to 8.4, my problem would be solved. >>>>> I have it installed on my Windows 7 system, but the last time I tried it >>>>> on 8.1 I got a lot of errors. >>>>> >>>>> I’ll give it another go actually, just to be sure. Jaws remote access >>>>> technologies cost £125.00 GBP per license which, presumably, means that >>>>> you can only use it to access similarly licensed servers. Citrix is >>>>> natively slow, Mike, even without a screen-reader. It’s old technology >>>>> which should have been scrapped years ago and re-written. Microsoft >>>>> Terminal Services do not have a large footprint and they are much much >>>>> faster, allowing you to do most or all the things you can do under >>>>> Citrix, apart from having access to Main Frame computers. >>>>> >>>>> I shall go get my 8.2 Window-Eyes CD now and give that a go again. >>>>> >>>>> Kindest regards >>>>> >>>>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>>>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>>>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually >>>>> Impaired Department at: >>>>> Sunnyside Academy >>>>> Manor Farm Way >>>>> Colby Newham >>>>> Middlesbrough >>>>> Cleveland >>>>> United Kingdom >>>>> f >>>>> On 23 Jul 2014, at 16:31, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gordon, in the jaws you do have to buy the Citrix and remote access >>>>> and NVDA they still have not implemented anything as of yet I know it can >>>>> be done but it's very slow and that's all very bleeding edge code but as >>>>> far as I know it's not she implemented into NVDA yet I was just looking >>>>> into the same thing for a home server here's well and I'm can have to buy >>>>> the Citrix and the draws remote access lucky for me I got into a position >>>>> where I could do so I prefer Johnsarbor NVDA anyway but still using PDA >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings again my fellow enthusiasts! >>>>>> >>>>>> While it is true that NVDA provides very good accessibility to most >>>>>> things Windows, I am still finding myself using Jaws more and more. >>>>>> However, what I would like to know is how you use remote access services >>>>>> under NVDA? With Jaws, I’m going to have to purchase the add-on that >>>>>> gives you access to remote terminal series and Citrix. On that last >>>>>> point, does anybody know from where you need to download the Citrix >>>>>> server module? I gather it needs to be installed before JAWS, is that >>>>>> correct? if so, presumably one needs to remove and then reinstall JAWS >>>>>> itself, but retain user and shared settings, correct? >>>>>> >>>>>> As for Jaws itself, I am finding it extremely stable and robust for the >>>>>> most part. I’m in the process of installing a new system which I bought >>>>>> bare-bones a few weeks ago. It’s going to be used primarily as a server >>>>>> for various functions, but Jaws will be used on that machine as >>>>>> Window-Eyes doesn’t seem to want to install, and NVDA is not as >>>>>> responsive as JAWS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the ramble. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindest regards >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>>>>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>>>>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually >>>>>> Impaired Department at: >>>>>> Sunnyside Academy >>>>>> Manor Farm Way >>>>>> Colby Newham >>>>>> Middlesbrough >>>>>> Cleveland >>>>>> United Kingdom >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Telephone: >>>>>> >>>>>> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >>>>>> 0800 8620538 >>>>>> >>>>>> United Kingdom Geographic: >>>>>> 01133 280547 >>>>>> Mobile: >>>>>> +44 7907 823971 >>>>>> >>>>>> Europe and other non-specified: >>>>>> +44 1642 688095 >>>>>> >>>>>> United States Of America And Canada: >>>>>> +1 646 9151493 >>>>>> Or: >>>>>> +1 209 436 9443 >>>>>> >>>>>> Australasia: >>>>>> +61 38 8205930 >>>>>> Or: >>>>>> +61 39 0284505 >>>>>> >>>>>> Fax: >>>>>> +44 1642 365123 >>>>>> >>>>>> Follow Us On Twitter: >>>>>> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype: >>>>>> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ======================================= >>>>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, please send your message to: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> The Windows-Access E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>> virus and worm-free >>>>>> >>>>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit your personalise >>>>>> subscriber options page, located at >>>>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/windows-access >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Windows-Access >>>>>> forum at either of the following websites: >>>>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/windows-access/index.html >>>>>> Or: >>>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. 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