Hi Gordon, I will try to make my sentences shorter. I am using Siri dictation on the iPhone. From what I know about RDP, it works separately from Jaws tandom. When I am at my desktop again I will try to find a topic and the Josh help file that explains how the RDP session works I know it is in the jaws help menu somewhere. If you would like I can either paste it in an email or I can send it to you privately it's not a problem I am pretty sure I have all the files in HTML that somebody has rendered. Tandem is more meant for if you're helping somebody work on the computer remotel.
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mike > > Your sentences are so long, but I think I get the gist. :) > > In Windows, I too am finding myself using Jaws most of the time. I’ve got > two licenses for version 15, and I’ve just finished the process of ordering > the second one to be remote access enabled. On the subject of RA, I am > confused about something. The document which Sight And Sound sent me I don’t > seem to be able to access. But from what I’ve read in the help > documentation, I am given to understand that in order to get a session > running, using Jaws Tandon, the key file is necessary to be entered on the > server, or text typed into a dialogue. If that’s the case, then it isn’t > possible to do full remote access unattended. Is that correct? If so, then > it kind of negates the object of the exercise. I want it so that I can > access the server here at home from work, so that I can manipulate files > directly. But if somebody needs to type in a key text every 60 minutes, then > this isn’t the object I needed. In which case, I will have little option > other than to install and use Window-Eyes, which makes use of Terminal > Services properly. So could somebody confirm this for me? > > Kindest regards > > <--- Gordon Smith ---> > <[email protected]> > > Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; > Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, Plus > I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired > Department at: > Sunnyside Academy > Manor Farm Way > Colby Newham > Middlesbrough > Cleveland > United Kingdom > [Currently In Summer Recess] > > On 28 Jul 2014, at 19:22, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Gordon > > I used to be a Kurzweil user for the longest time and my wife had open book > on her computer so that's what we use here now I have found open book to be a > lot more accurate then what Kurzweil used to be I keep thinking that I will > relearn window eyes. I haven't used it in many years and I'm so ingrained and > jaws and parsley NVDA that I really need to take the time is about noise. I > have been copied to office because I have a Baller 2010 and 2013 license so I > have it installed just have not played with it I am known for having Brenda > my job is IOM one of the biggest issues is a certain computers in the house > that I need the full copy of screenwriter and don't want to use NVDA however > I run out of keys very quickly because of that fact because one of the > computers we have here is a test for software that were looking for a new > business but some of the requires a reinstalls the IOM system is horrible I > had a custom-built computer that got lost in the move but every time UFI down > what update it would break along with many other things that would happen on > the custom computer I had a not I had a Mac and my total voice of it worked. > However I had to get rid of it due to so many incompatibilities with systems > at work and my home network I didn't want to have to redo the server and > stuff but I had to make the whole thing work so I'm using a share of a > windows in the Linux server to get done what I need to do I played with the > Mac server and I found so many horrible things in it that I didn't like so > didn't bother after setting one up I hope that freedom someday gets out of > there all talk and changing some policies kiss they are ugly I've used them > for so many years though i've noticed a lot of changes and Josh steadily > since nine I'm just hoping that they can continue and hopefully out enough > and do more that will change things I think with them changing their > restrictions on standard and changing at home and removing some of the > restrictions is a start in the right direction but we'll see how much more > than willing to give GW micro will at least let me running on a VM on > officially however if you till freedom that they will make an issue that > you're running Josh on BBM as far as the Sarah I had that you simply with > when yet but I'm hoping I was hoping to have also want to Pro camera and I'm > actually thinking that I'm going to give my wife Maefel braille edge then get > a focus 40 because I've had a lot of problems with my braille display and Josh > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Mike >> >> GW Micro has, to their credit, offered network admins the ability to use >> Windows as though it were local for several years. In fact, I think they >> are probably ahead of Freedom in this area. The concept of Freedom’s >> licensing policies worries me a little, and I find it very restrictive. I’m >> not sure whether they restrict the servers you can use, or whether it is >> just the client which is restricted. But all the same, having the facility >> readily available in Window-Eyes does hold some appeal for me. >> >> Window-Eyes is very fast actually, when remotely accessing another computer. >> I tried it once via the Internet, and listened to the actual client system >> over the phone so that I could get an idea of how fast it was reacting. I >> was getting the audio feedback on my machine just about half a second, if >> that, behind that of the actual speakers on the server system itself. >> Locally, on the same Windows network, it’s like lightning. >> >> I have not as yet tried Jaws remote, as I say, because I want to see what >> their terms are before I invest money into that technology. Freedom do >> nothing for nothing, that is for sure. They seem to spare no thought at all >> for the budget of somebody for whom these ventures are personal. All they >> talk about on their website and in their brochures are “Corporate” this, and >> “Business” that. Actually, their ILM system is not without its problems as >> well. One of my laptops is exhibiting a very strange problem. When I start >> the machine from cold boot, Jaws goes into demo mode, and I’m prompted to >> update the authorisation. I have to do a warm reboot in order to have it >> see the fact that the ILM key is there. Warm rebooting solves the issue as >> I said, but it’s a very odd one. OpenBook 9 is installed on the same system >> and that does not exhibit the problem. In fact, just changing subject for a >> moment. OpenBook 9 is, when configured properly, a very accurate OCR system >> when used with the Pearl camera. I am fortunate enough to own a license for >> OpenBook, funded by Access To Work for me to use at my place of work. Even >> text close too, or in-picture text is sometimes recognised correctly if the >> software is properly configured. I routinely set OpenBook to default with >> the most accurate “FineReader” engine, rather than the default which is, >> correct me if I’m wrong, the Nuance Omnipage) engine. ABBYY is way ahead of >> the game I think and that’s why it is used cross-platform technologies in >> OpenBook. But one of the things that initially caught my attention when I >> started using OpenBook was the speed of its recognition function. I also >> very much like the way it handles workflows and it wasn’t long before I I >> started creating workflows customised for my own specific situations. I >> could sit here and write pages and pages about this software, its good and >> its bad points. But were I to do so, I’d probably exceed the list limits. >> >> On another point, I also own a Sara CE, Freedom Scientific’s stand-alone OCR >> system. I’m quite glad that I didn’t pay for the acquisition of the Sara CE >> myself, or I would have been feeling very cheated by now. >> >> SARA FB is the version with the flatbed scanner, and SARA CE is the Camera >> Edition, hence the suffix. The SARA technology is actually nothing more >> than a standard PC running under Windows XP with a custom interface. The >> actual computer that powers it is based on an AMD Athlon 1.0 GHZ with 512MB >> of RAM and a 160GB ATA hard drive. >> >> My guess is that Freedom’s developers did some kind of deal with a hardware >> supplier, then they bought a manufacturer’s OEM license for Windows XP which >> allows them to install it on as many systems as they need. There are >> actually some subtle differences in the main board configurations. For >> example, my own unit has not just the two audio output sockets that Freedom >> advertise, but it also has a complete onboard SoundBlaster Live, with mic >> in, line in and line out sockets on the rear. It uses a system shared >> onboard video system, and on the rear panel there are 4 USB inputs, a DVI >> and VGA monitor connection pair and a socket for a PS2 keyboard. Oh yes, >> and I forgot to mention the Parallel port. I didn’t find any of those >> extras mentioned in the system specifications. On the front panel there are >> also two small 8ø speakers which are actually not bad quality for music. >> Not hi-fi, of course, but I’ve heard far worse. >> >> finally, on top of that, they run their own OpenBook software, customised to >> work with the hardware they use for their interface, and a modified Pearl >> camera. They charge around $1,000 USD for that, which I personally think is >> a horrendous rip-off. They probably picked up the volume supply of >> motherboards for a couple of bucks each. The hard drives probably cost >> around the same amount. The software probably works out at about the same, >> maybe just a bit more, and their own modified version of OpenBook was, of >> course, all in-house anyway. They spout the same usual excuse, development >> costs, for the horrendous price of the unit. But that excuse has worn >> pretty thin by now, to be honest. >> >> They must make a terrific profit on every unit they ship. In their defence, >> yes, it is true to say that the unit does work very well. But essentially >> all you have is a single task, OpenBook, running under Windows XP. Even on >> a machine with those specifications, i’d have been amazed if it hadn’t >> worked seamlessly. >> >> Yes, to be totally fair, the SARA CE provides an excellent interface >> especially for those who have little or no vision and who want something >> that’s powerful yet easy to use in order to scan mail, read books, etc. >> Yes, it’s only fair to say it, the SARA has proven an invaluable tool in my >> own locker when I’m at my place of work. A lot of my job involves Braille >> transcription work and, in those instances where I cannot find an electronic >> version of the book I’m working on in the educational library, (to which I >> have access), to use as source, I rely heavily on OCR solutions to gather my >> material. Occasionally I use off-the-shelf solutions to scan. But most of >> the time I use a combination of SARA CE, OpenBook 9 and, very occasionally, >> a pair of eyes borrowed from one of my colleagues if she happens to be able >> to spare them. >> >> OpenBook and SARA share the same overall operating environment and actually >> they both run a customised copy of JAWS 11.0 to provide the Braille and >> speech interface. >> >> When you use JAWS as your primary screen-reader, a very clever piece of >> switching takes place behind the scenes. Jaws automatically detects the >> OpenBook presence and releases control of the speech API and the Braille >> display while the OpenBook window has focus. In the case of the Braille >> display, you do need to be running a Focus or something, one of the Freedom >> displays at any rate, for the switching to work properly. OpenBook only has >> direct support for Freedom’s hardware which, I guess, makes sense really. >> >> Having used this system for about 9 months now, I’m actually very happy with >> it. It gets results for me, no doubt about that. But I find Freedom’s >> licensing policies very ugly, to be honest. For example, if one has a valid >> license for Jaws on their system, you’d think that maybe the OpenBook mighty >> be covered as well. But sadly, that isn’t the case. >> >> Kindest regards >> >> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >> <[email protected]> >> >> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >> Department at: >> Sunnyside Academy >> Manor Farm Way >> Colby Newham >> Middlesbrough >> Cleveland >> United Kingdom >> >> On 28 Jul 2014, at 13:05, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Gordon >> >> It makes me wonder if now that Jaws is writing their stuff for home and >> business if things will change. I know they said as of 16 you were still >> going to pay for the add-ons but I'm thinking at some point they may go >> ahead and write it completely and to Josh pro. I'm going to retain my dross >> Pro and probably pick up an actual paid copy of wind was. I prefer eloquence >> over the other speech since anyway. So it'll be interesting to see what >> actually happens. I will be very interested to hear you're out comes with >> window eyes. I will still probably pick up a copy of window eyes just have >> one it's always good to have a few cents around I had looked into the >> dolphin access I've heard they're pretty far behind as well in the >> accessibility for network Edmonds >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mike >>> >>> With Window-Eyes version 6 and later, Remote Access via Citrix or Microsoft >>> Remote Terminal services is built-in, if you own a Professional license to >>> the product. >>> >>> Actually though, as I understand it, Window-Eyes is being given its long >>> overdue total rewrite, which will obviously be a paid upgrade when it is >>> released. But finally, it seems, GW Micro has acknowledge the horrendous >>> latency introduced by Window-Eyes with its huge footprint. If they are now >>> producing true 64-bit code, I am sure that we will see dramatically >>> improved responsiveness throughout the entire product, not just with remote >>> sessions. >>> >>> But I am about to see whether or not I can install it into my Windows 8.1 >>> native system, as I only have a full setup of Window-Eyes 8.2 and the >>> current version, the one being distributed free of charge, is version 8.4. >>> Anybody who owns a license to Windows 8.1 and/or Microsoft Office 2010 or >>> later automatically qualifies for a free license to Window-Eyes. I will >>> contact GW Micro as I am keen to retain my registered serial number if >>> possible. >>> >>> Kindest regards >>> >>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >>> Department at: >>> Sunnyside Academy >>> Manor Farm Way >>> Colby Newham >>> Middlesbrough >>> Cleveland >>> United Kingdom >>> >>> ============================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Telephone: >>> >>> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >>> 0800 8620538 >>> >>> United Kingdom Geographic: >>> 01133 280547 >>> Mobile: >>> +44 7907 823971 >>> >>> Europe and other non-specified: >>> +44 1642 688095 >>> >>> United States Of America And Canada: >>> +1 646 9151493 >>> Or: >>> +1 209 436 9443 >>> >>> Australasia: >>> +61 38 8205930 >>> Or: >>> +61 39 0284505 >>> >>> Fax: >>> +44 1642 365123 >>> >>> Follow Us On Twitter: >>> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >>> >>> Skype: >>> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 26 Jul 2014, at 22:58, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Gordon >>> >>> I am curious to see what your point of view is if you get when doors to >>> work do you have to pay extra for the RDP in Citrix access I need to do >>> that with my jaws as well so I will see what happens I'm going to have the >>> money to upgrade to and at the features I'm running 15 and I get 16 anyway >>> but will review my SMEs when I get the chance and by the Adams just have >>> them figured it would be better for job's point of view anyway >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mike >>>> >>>> Were it not for the fact that Window-Eyes 8.2 won’t install under Windows >>>> 8.1 natively, allowing you to upgrade to 8.4, my problem would be solved. >>>> I have it installed on my Windows 7 system, but the last time I tried it >>>> on 8.1 I got a lot of errors. >>>> >>>> I’ll give it another go actually, just to be sure. Jaws remote access >>>> technologies cost £125.00 GBP per license which, presumably, means that >>>> you can only use it to access similarly licensed servers. Citrix is >>>> natively slow, Mike, even without a screen-reader. It’s old technology >>>> which should have been scrapped years ago and re-written. Microsoft >>>> Terminal Services do not have a large footprint and they are much much >>>> faster, allowing you to do most or all the things you can do under Citrix, >>>> apart from having access to Main Frame computers. >>>> >>>> I shall go get my 8.2 Window-Eyes CD now and give that a go again. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards >>>> >>>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >>>> Department at: >>>> Sunnyside Academy >>>> Manor Farm Way >>>> Colby Newham >>>> Middlesbrough >>>> Cleveland >>>> United Kingdom >>>> f >>>> On 23 Jul 2014, at 16:31, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Gordon, in the jaws you do have to buy the Citrix and remote access and >>>> NVDA they still have not implemented anything as of yet I know it can be >>>> done but it's very slow and that's all very bleeding edge code but as far >>>> as I know it's not she implemented into NVDA yet I was just looking into >>>> the same thing for a home server here's well and I'm can have to buy the >>>> Citrix and the draws remote access lucky for me I got into a position >>>> where I could do so I prefer Johnsarbor NVDA anyway but still using PDA >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Greetings again my fellow enthusiasts! >>>>> >>>>> While it is true that NVDA provides very good accessibility to most >>>>> things Windows, I am still finding myself using Jaws more and more. >>>>> However, what I would like to know is how you use remote access services >>>>> under NVDA? With Jaws, I’m going to have to purchase the add-on that >>>>> gives you access to remote terminal series and Citrix. On that last >>>>> point, does anybody know from where you need to download the Citrix >>>>> server module? I gather it needs to be installed before JAWS, is that >>>>> correct? if so, presumably one needs to remove and then reinstall JAWS >>>>> itself, but retain user and shared settings, correct? >>>>> >>>>> As for Jaws itself, I am finding it extremely stable and robust for the >>>>> most part. I’m in the process of installing a new system which I bought >>>>> bare-bones a few weeks ago. It’s going to be used primarily as a server >>>>> for various functions, but Jaws will be used on that machine as >>>>> Window-Eyes doesn’t seem to want to install, and NVDA is not as >>>>> responsive as JAWS. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the ramble. >>>>> >>>>> Kindest regards >>>>> >>>>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>>>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>>>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually >>>>> Impaired Department at: >>>>> Sunnyside Academy >>>>> Manor Farm Way >>>>> Colby Newham >>>>> Middlesbrough >>>>> Cleveland >>>>> United Kingdom >>>>> >>>>> ============================== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: >>>>> >>>>> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >>>>> 0800 8620538 >>>>> >>>>> United Kingdom Geographic: >>>>> 01133 280547 >>>>> Mobile: >>>>> +44 7907 823971 >>>>> >>>>> Europe and other non-specified: >>>>> +44 1642 688095 >>>>> >>>>> United States Of America And Canada: >>>>> +1 646 9151493 >>>>> Or: >>>>> +1 209 436 9443 >>>>> >>>>> Australasia: >>>>> +61 38 8205930 >>>>> Or: >>>>> +61 39 0284505 >>>>> >>>>> Fax: >>>>> +44 1642 365123 >>>>> >>>>> Follow Us On Twitter: >>>>> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >>>>> >>>>> Skype: >>>>> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ======================================= >>>>> >>>>> To post to this group, please send your message to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> The Windows-Access E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free >>>>> >>>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit your personalise >>>>> subscriber options page, located at >>>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/windows-access >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Windows-Access >>>>> forum at either of the following websites: >>>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/windows-access/index.html >>>>> Or: >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. 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