I think it's fair to say that our (NOC) concerns are more based on
unauthorized access to our network than whether someone's individual
data is secure.  ONE bad guy can cause LOTS of damage with unauthorized
access.  This one bad guy, should he feel the need to kill a server, for
example, would certainly have the skill to beat WEP.  That's why we use
VPN.

I'm attaching our Knowledge Base website:

http://kb.indiana.edu/

I typed in "VPN Wireless" and came up with tons of info.  For sure,
there are details for nearly all OS VPN clients.  I haven't looked at
all, but I'm pretty sure that even if a platform doesn't have VPN built
in, a user can get it for free (not sure about MACs).  To date, I
haven't heard one complaint.  Also, we're doing everything possible at
Indiana to get people up to XP anyway.

Hope this is valuable.

Kirt Guinn
Wireless Project Analyst
University Information Technology Services
Indiana University
(812) 855-1784
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicola Foggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Survey

WEP is definitely not perfect, and we don't recommend anyone passing
sensitive data over the wireless network.

Yes VPN is definitely secure, however but you have to think about now
you're requiring the end user to have a piece of software installed on
there machine on top of ensuring the wireless card is properly setup...

Do you leave Allow Broadcast SSID to Associate so that most cards by
default can pick up the wireless network?

I would be interessted to see the difference in responses from schools
in a major city vs other schools.  I can stand in my office and pickup
at least 2 other wireless networks (not on our network) and if I go down
to the street corner I pickup anywhere between 5-10 different access
points.

802.1x would be great if all cards supported it...

Maybe someday in the perfect world they'll ratify a standard for
securing wireless that was meant to secure wireless!!

Nicola Foggi
Networks and Telecom
DePaul University

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/21/02 21:12 PM >>>
Agreed!  Besides the proprietary stuff, WEP 128 has security problems
that are well documented.

We use VPN all the way - encrypted to the key stroke.  We also consider
a move to 802.1x, but are waiting for the complimentary (802.11stuff)
that's coming.

So, to answer the other questions:

1) We don't do WEP, since we feel it's not worthy, and not worth the
risk.

2) VPN all the way.  We have a "Knowledge Base" web site that gives
users directions on configuration, that seems to work even at the
knucklehead level (I did it on my own, first try).

3) No DHCP for wireless.

4) No charge.  We currently have Orinoco (~300 nodes on two campuses),
but are awaiting RFP results, and intend to expand to 1500 by Summer of
2004.  802.11b until 802.11g is ready.

Kirt Guinn
Wireless Project Manager
Indiana University

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