We are doing a large AP rollout in 2008 (1500 AP's) we are going with Cisco,
but not with "n", we will not be putting the AP's under smartnet because it
is expensive and much more cost effective to just replace AP's when they
fail.  The failure rate for us has been very low I think 3 out of 1000 in
the last 2 years.  We will have smartnet on the other components i.e.
controllers and location appliances.

Thanks Bret

Bret Jones
Managing Director
Technology Operations and Engineering
The George Washington University
801 22nd Street NW, Suite B148
Washington, DC 20052
Phone: (202)994-5548
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonn Martell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:46 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n

This is where size and your relationship to your Cisco AM is important.

I don't think that you should have to put all your APs on Smartnet if
you do local sparing. At one of my last EDU, we had 2000+ APs deployed
and only a handful on Smartnet (required to call TAC)....

If your Cisco AM doesn't understand this, that's when competition
starts to look really interesting!  Forcing maintenance on the small
stuff is ridiculous especially for thin APs that are controlled by the
controllers (these APs aren't autonomous anymore).

If you want to stay with Cisco, then waiting for the "WiFi 802.11n"
compliance certification is likely your best bet.

... Jonn Martell

On 1/11/08, Lee H Badman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Lee-
>
>
>
> Where I find fault with this is the requirement to keep APs under
> maintenance. Our model has always been that the APs are cheap enough and
> reliable enough that it's more cost effective to keep a dozen spares on
hand
> than to keep 1600 APs on maintenance.  so in my opinion, Smartnet isn't
the
> right silver bullet for protection against changes to the standard- but I
do
> concede that every environment has their own circumstances.
>
>
>
> Lee
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Lee Weers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:46 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n
>
>
>
>
> We have a campus wide wireless project just starting that we are going to
do
> 802.11n everywhere we can place a Cisco 1252.  We couldn't get a guarantee
> from Cisco that there won't be a hardware change.  Just that if the AP is
> under smartnet they will then do the upgrade for free.
>
>
>
> I have also heard the same thing from Xirrus with their AP arrays.  If
they
> are under maintenance then they will send you the 802.11n radios to swap
> out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:39 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11n
>
> Wondering who is taking the early plunge on 802.11n, who's system you are
> going with (beyond small pilots), and if you are requiring commitment from
> the manufacturer that if the standard does change in ways that make
> pre-standard hardware incompatible, free replacements would be provided?
>
>
>
> On list or off is OK- just trying to gather data for our own 11n research.
>
>
>
> Kind regards-
>
>
>
> Lee H. Badman
>
> Wireless/Network Engineer
>
> Information Technology and Services
>
> Syracuse University
>
> 315 443-3003
>
>
>
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