Shouldn't Universities foot the Wi-Fi bill and make AT&T pay to carry the SSID? (AT&T needs that capacity anyway if they want to service those thousands of people with smartphones) That will give Universities the freedom to carry additional services when the time comes.
Another thing to remember: AT&T has limits on their 3G data plan of 2 Gigs (or 4 Gigs if you a have the hotspot plan) (with the exception of grandfathered customers that have unlimited plans) Verizon and Sprint provide unlimited data over 3G on smartphones. So, it is in the interest of AT&T customers to join Wi-Fi if they don't want to exhaust their quotas and pay $10/extra Gig. Looking at these 2 cost models (Sprint/Verizon VS AT&T), it looks like AT&T needs the Wi-Fi capacity to sustain the demand. Or is it that they just want to provide a better experience on 3G and offload data as much as possible to Wi-Fi by providing incentives? I experienced a few days ago an interesting problem: I was trying to download an iTunes album and received a message warning me that files larger than 20 Mbytes have to be downloaded over Wi-Fi. This was with an iPhone on AT&T. Not being in proximity of a free Wi-Fi hotspot, I had to turn on the hotspot feature of my iphone, and use iTUnes on my laptop, over the same 3G network. No limit this time ;-) Why is AT&T so afraid of data usage? Philippe On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Dewitt Latimer wrote: The stadium DAS projects with WiFi where the lead integrator is covering the cost of the WiFi are usually locked down in one form or another. The lead integrator would have no way to recover their investment if it was left wide open. Most schools have not built out WiFi in stadiums except in limited ways (eg ticket scanners, POS, other locked-down infrastructure needs). You get the occasional club boxes that have WiFi that is locked with a common key (usually "give us more money"). So unless the school is going to foot the WiFi cost for 7 days a year (which they're not), I don't see what the big deal is for stadium WiFi being parceled out to the carriers. I also don't fault AT&T for being out in the lead for having a pretty well branded WiFi hotspot service. I wish the others would catch up! -d On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Holland, Ryan C. <holland....@osu.edu<mailto:holland....@osu.edu>> wrote: To answer Lee's question, yes, there has been value. The transient users that use the attwifi service are the responsibility of AT&T and not the university. This is a value-add for us. ========== Ryan Holland Network Engineer, Wireless Office of the Chief Information Officer The Ohio State University 614-292-9906<tel:614-292-9906> holland....@osu.edu<mailto:holland....@osu.edu> Submit a Kudos to an OCIO employee!<http://www.surveygizmo.com/s/514095/giveociokudos> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: This is where I gotta plug our Bluesocket box for guest access. They worked with us to develop a simple “SMS you your password” mechanism, and I can’t imagine a simpler guest portal for people to use. The AT&T model does seem interesting, but to Phillipe’s point, I’m not digging the single carrier thing. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AT&T WiFi Overlaying AT&T Wi-Fi over the wireless network to me seems like the same problem as a vendor specific DAS. Only AT&T customers can really use the infrastructure unless you are willing to pay "a la carte" for the service. What's next? Verizon Wi-Fi, Sprint Wi-Fi... or a web page where you have to pick the vendor of your choice in a long list (highly sensitive to MITM). With models like eduroam, at least all R&E people can join the network while traveling around. What we really need is eduroam for other users as well! (I'm working on it ;-) Philippe Philippe Hanset Univ. of TN, Knoxville www.eduroamus.org<http://www.eduroamus.org/> On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Dewitt Latimer wrote: As a person who travels to many campuses, I can tell you that having my iPhone auto-associate with a campus WiFi is a whole lot nicer than having to bug my hosts to sponsor me for a guest wireless account. So I think the real way to look at this is (1) how many guests do you have to your campus, (2) do you care about them, (3) is your wireless guest registration system self sponsored and simple, or a real PIA? You don't necessarily have to overlay the AT&T ssid over your whole campus either. You can hit (say) the performing arts, campus hotel and conference, etc. But that's more of a political outcome than technical. If you go through the hassle of a couple of buildings, you might as well do them all. Also, AT&T almost always brings their own commodity bandwidth to the bargaining table. So depending on how many guests you have anyway, you can off load some of their data to their pipe. -d On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: Ryan- Do you feel there has been any real value to OSU, or any downside? Thanks- Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315 443-3003<tel:315%20443-3003> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Holland, Ryan C. Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] AT&T WiFi We have it here at OSU, and it works adequately. Nothing special. Just a L2 handoff from our equipment to theirs. ========== Ryan Holland Network Engineer, Wireless Office of the Chief Information Officer The Ohio State University 614-292-9906<tel:614-292-9906> holland....@osu.edu<mailto:holland....@osu.edu> Submit a Kudos to an OCIO employee!<http://www.surveygizmo.com/s/514095/giveociokudos> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Steve Hess wrote: Anyone have experience with the AT&T WiFi product? Upper management is looking into it here. My understanding is they will use our existing Aruba infrastructure to propagate the signal. Curious for input from others on direct experience and technical considerations (in general and as relates to Aruba specifically). 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