That is worth mentioning: I'll be disappointed if this petition is limited to AirPlay. The real target here is Bonjour. It's required for an iOS device to use wifi to sync to iTunes. Time Capsule uses it. It is rapidly becoming the cornerstone of Apple's networking story.
In fairness, if we give Apple the benefit of the doubt on the "experimental" part of the mDNS description, then "small networks without DNS servers" perfectly describes the typical Apple deployment environment. Move beyond that, though, and the experiment has failed. Spectacularly. Just be careful what you ask for. Apple's likely response is to release a new line of AirPort access points for enterprise that work with Bonjour and make Cisco's pricing look like D-Link. Joel Coehoorn IT Director York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, David Gillett <gillettda...@fhda.edu>wrote: > For me, the key point is "enterprise networks". When Bonjour first > came to my attention, it was officially described as "An experimental > protocol for small networks without DNS servers." > Apparently, Apple's thinking is that if you use their products, your > network MUST qualify. I believe THAT is the attitude that needs to be > changed. > > David Gillett > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Johnson, Neil M [neil-john...@uiowa.edu] > *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2012 7:55 AM > > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You > knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > How about: > > Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving > numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to > utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and other > locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Airplay > technology in enterprise networks. > > > Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): > > - That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay > enabled devices) to be easily accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 > subnets. > - That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay > enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across > multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets. > - That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and > Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) > - That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise > authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) > > > Any enterprise Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: > > - It must scale to 100's-1000's of Airplay enabled devices. > - It must work with wired and wireless networks from different vendors. > - It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired > and wireless). > - It must be easily manageable at scale. > - If it requires a separate hardware solution, the solution's hardware > must be enterprise grade (rack mountable, dual power supplies, etc.) > - It must be provided at a reasonable cost > > Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and > desirability) > of Apple products in our institutions. > > > > At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for support of > Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless environments. > > > > Thank you. > > -- > Neil Johnson > Network Engineer > The University of Iowa > Phone: 319 384-0938 > Fax: 319 335-2951 > Mobile: 319 540-2081 > E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu > > -- > Neil Johnson > Network Engineer > The University of Iowa > Phone: 319 384-0938 > Fax: 319 335-2951 > Mobile: 319 540-2081 > E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu > > > From: Ian McDonald <i...@st-andrews.ac.uk> > Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:32 AM > To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You > knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > It must run on a standard size rack-mountable server class piece of > hardware! > > > > I’m not big on “discovery”, I’d much rather some central registration & > arbiter system through which the traffic flowed, and probably a separate > “Airplay Enterprise” software implementation. > > We don’t want to have to allow inter-client communications on either our > wireless or wired networks. > > > > In general though, I’d like to see it looking like it’s a deployable and > manageable solution, not something that might work (if you’re lucky) in > your house. > > > > My 0.02 J > > > > -- > > ian > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] > *On Behalf Of *Johnson, Neil M > *Sent:* 06 July 2012 15:26 > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You > knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > > > I've added a section on solution criteria: > > > > Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions > are receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for > the ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, > and other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support > for Airplay technology in enterprise networks. > > > > Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): > > - That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay > enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets, > or lacking that: > - That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay > enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across > multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets > - That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and > Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) > - That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise > authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) > > Any enterprise Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: > > - It must scale to 100's-1000's of Airplay enabled devices. > - It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired > and wireless). > - It must be easily manageable at scale. > - It must be provided at a reasonable cost > > Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness > (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. > > > > At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for > support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless > environments. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Neil Johnson > > Network Engineer > > The University of Iowa > > Phone: 319 384-0938 > > Fax: 319 335-2951 > > Mobile: 319 540-2081 > > E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu > > > > > > *From: *John Kaftan <jkaf...@utica.edu> > *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > *Date: *Friday, July 6, 2012 9:11 AM > *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You > knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > > > Apple either does not care or they have not gotten the message. There is > no way to know for sure which is the case. There is not a lot we can do > about the former, however we can keep trying about regarding the latter. I > think the petition is a positive and creative way for us to try and reach > them from another angle and collectively. I am fairly excited about how > this is coming together. I will forward this thread to our Apple Engineer > as a heads up. > > > > John Kaftan > > IT Infrastructure Manager > > Utica College. > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu<WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu>] > *On Behalf Of *Kellogg, Brian D. > *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2012 9:27 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You > knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > > > I agree although I expect nothing will come of it. Their stock price is > far too high for them to be bothered with concern. I wish I could be more > of an optimist sometimes. > > > > Brian > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] > *On Behalf Of *Bruce Boardman > *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2012 9:25 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was > coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > > > I think it's a good idea to reach out to Apple, even if ignored, for two > reasons, so they know it's comming, and so they know it's important and not > just a group of loud mouth limes. > > > > > > |Bruce Boardman, Network Engineer, Syracuse University - 315 889-1667 > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Mike King [m...@mpking.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2012 7:47 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You > knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > One more thing. > > > > I think use of an online petition tool might help things > out organizationally. > > > > http://www.change.org/petition > > > > > > there are others, that was the first Google result. > > > > Mike > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> wrote: > > So... two thoughts. Perhaps give it another week for people to chime in > with their gripes and let the list discuss them? Then perhaps digital > signatures- DocuSign is free and elegant. > > I guess also, a courtesy inquiry to Phillipe over whether he sees this as > prudent list of the group is probably in order. > > Say, Phillipe- do you see this as prudent use of the list? > > Thanks, > > Lee > > > > Lee H. Badman > Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS > Adjunct Instructor, iSchool > Syracuse University > 315.443.3003 > > ________________________________________ > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [ > curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You > knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > > You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports > fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK "Sticky", > but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky, it is only "fast" when you > roam back to an AP you've been on, and the client can only cache up to 8 > AP's. > > > Curtis Larsen > Wireless Network Engineer > University of Utah > 801-587-1313 > > > On 07/05/2012 02:46 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: > > Pretty much what I was thinking (ballpark) with all Educause schools > individually signed on. May not amount to anything, but would in itself be > media fodder. > > > > Lee H. Badman > > Wireless/Network Engineer, ITS > > Adjunct Instructor, iSchool > > Syracuse University > > 315.443.3003 > > ________________________________ > > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M [ > neil-john...@uiowa.edu] > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM > > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > > Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew > it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) > > > > > > I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but > here is a first pass): > > > > > > Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are > receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the > ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, and > other locations, hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for > Airplay technology in enterprise wireless networks. > > > > > > Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): > > > > * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay > enabled devices) to be discoverable across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets > or lacking that: > > * That Apple establish a way for the Apple TV (and other Airplay > enabled devices) to be easily statically configured to be accessible across > multiple IPv4 and IPv6 subnets > > * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and > Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise) > > * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise > authentication services (LDAP and/or AD) > > > > Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and > desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. > > > > > > > > At your earliest convenience please provide us with a roadmap for > support of Airplay and related technologies in enterprise wireless > environments. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Neil Johnson > > Network Engineer > > The University of Iowa > > Phone: 319 384-0938 > > Fax: 319 335-2951 > > Mobile: 319 540-2081 > > E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu > > > > > > From:<Watters>, John<john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu>> > > Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv< > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> > > Date: Thursday, July 5, 2012 2:23 PM > > To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>"<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> > > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV > support for instructors. > > > > > > Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are > > > > receiving numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the > > > > ability to utilize Airplay technology in classrooms, conference rooms, > and > > > > other locations, here by 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