Since we're a networking group I think we need to keep the focus on networking issues. More specifically service advertisement (Bonjour) and wireless authentication (lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise).
What Apple hasn't understood that is while creating great devices for homes our students' "homes away from home" are on an enterprise network. If they're able to come to an understanding of that maybe their R&D will be more likely to take that into account. I don't know if Apple knows, or even cares, how many of their devices touch enterprise networks. They normally only hear complaints on a single device (or from a single institution) at a time. We could possibly give them a count that might get their attention. Mearl Danner Systems Programmer Samford University Technology Services http://www.samford.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:01 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check I understand why there is a benefit to keeping the scope focused, but I agree that there is some merit in at least making some more general statements about the difficulties of running Apple products in the enterprise. Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D. Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check I don't use facebook so I think this would be a good move. After discussing this with a colleague at another university I believe a broader approach than just addressing Bonjour is justified. Apple does have many deficiencies to address in the enterprise. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Garry Peirce Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Hearing that some do not use FB that wish to sign, perhaps moving it to a site like http://www.change.org<http://www.change.org/> is a possibility, or perhaps a page could be hosted on the Educause website itself? The petition's main statement reads: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks." Might I suggest a possible refinement to: "We the undersigned academic and research institutions request that Apple collaborate with us to improve Bonjour/Airplay technologies in enterprise networks." For me, if DNS-SD worked for Airplay (as it does for printing) , my current hurdle would largely be solved. That would also require the AppleTV concession made to content-providers relaxed or removed. Perhaps they could make an alternative AppleTV image that allows DNS-SD to work, but removes the content-provider features (?). If one needs both the content services and Airplay across subnets, that seems the immediate problem we'd like Apple to help solve in lieu of other proprietary solutions. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Jesse Rink Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check So for those of us without Facebook, no way of signing it? From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]> On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition- Mid-Week Sanity Check Folks, Those interested seem to agree that we'd discuss specific pain points regarding "those other" Apple devices like AppleTv and any AirPlay/Bonjour-dependent gadgets until Friday, at which point we'd firm up the petition and find a place to host it. Then would come signatures, and ultimately presenting it to Apple, possibly via each of our Apple reps. Neil Johnson has started the companion Facebook group, and has drafted the early version of what everyone appears to want from Apple development in petition form at https://www.facebook.com/groups/enterpriseairplay with 72 members joining thus far. (Thanks, Neil) We have at least one CIO interested, and interested in sharing it with other CIOs via Educause if petition is done in a constructive, fact-based way. We also have a bit of media coverage coming soon on the process, with potentially more to follow. A lot of excellent technical discussion has been spawned during all of this, and as usual, the interaction has been great between list members. All of that being said, it is worth asking: * Is the group still feeling good about the direction this initiative is going in? * Does anyone have any problems with the wording and points in the doc so far? * Is everyone interested able to sign on behalf of their institution/organization? If not, can you get empowered or find someone who can sign? * Has anyone else approached senior IT management and found interest? Any other CIOs game at this point? * Any other mid-week thoughts, concerns, comments on the topic? 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