----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477
> You guys all agree we should be able to build and own our own networks > with as little regulation as possible but you want the government to > regulate the crap out of the bigger players? I do not buy that. Give us > all a level playing filed with little regulation and I think we will all > win. Also, the FCC has a task force called the Wireless Broadband Access > Task Force whose web site is located at www.fcc.gov/wbatf. Do you think > this would exist if we did not have some people filling out their forms > telling the FCC we are out here and need help? I, for one, have never asked for more regulation for anyone. I tend to agree with the deregulation of various entities... I think it makes the marketplace work more like reality. > > We cannot ask for representation in D.C. and then tell them they have no > authority over us. This is not rational. We know the FCC has authority > over what we do. We ask them for a playing field we can all play in. We > get changes made and then we have people saying they refuse to fill out > a form that shows what we are doing as broadband operators. I have no problem telling them what's going on. I have a problem telling them who I am, where I am, what zip codes, how many, even down to MY name as the person in charge. They need to know that like a fish needs a bicycle. > > I guess I just don't get it. Do you think the possibility could exist > that their intentions are not sinister and may actually relate to their > need for data in order to support our efforts? No, it hasn't occurred to me and there is not way it can be. This IS government, and by nature it is sinister to the best welfare of the people. The government may not be > your best friend but I assure you they play a big role in your business. > We all need to understand the rules, follow them and try our best to > make the rules work in our favor at all times. It's the 'following the rules' I have no problem with... When I become the large circle with concentric red and white rings painted on me, then I get concerned. > > Like the form or not it is a matter of law and we need to follow the law > of the land. Actually, we need to tell them to shove off. Tell them to find a way to accumulate the data without finding out who, where, what, and every other detail of our businesses. They have NO NEED OF KNOWING who my parent company is, what my legal business name is, and on and on. The ONLY reason to collect that is to make punitive regulation easier - they put the concentric rings on themselves... get them to remove them. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Scriv > > > > Jeromie Reeves wrote: > > > Under the current FCC chairman i have to agree. > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2005-08-22-telecom-usat_x.htm?POE=MONISVA > > > > > > The only thing i get from that is they now want to alter the franchise > > process to allow telcos to do something > > they already can and know exactly how to do. Add this to the recent > > ruling that cable co's do not need to > > share and you got people on a grass knoll. I agree with Mark that we > > are being setup for a fall. > > > > Jeromie > > > > > > Mark Koskenmaki wrote: > > > >> I'm quite sure it's only real purpose is finding out where all of us > >> are, > >> and where we are and who we are so we can be easily taxed and > >> regulated. > >> > >> Like Congress gives a rip about small business? Only so as it > >> gives them > >> numbers to pontificate about. > >> > >> > >> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 > >> personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net > >> sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net > >> Fast Internet, NO WIRES! > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > >> > >> - > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> In this particular case it's actually a very good thing Mark. > >>> > >>> Part of what's kept us at arm's length in a number of venues is the > >>> lack > >>> > >> > >> of > >> > >> > >>> numbers. The FCC is trying to get an accurate count and this was an > >>> existing system for doing just that. > >>> > >>> Marlon > >>> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > >>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services > >>> 42846865 (icq) And I run my own > >>> wisp! > >>> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > >>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > >>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Koskenmaki" > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:41 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> While you're at it, could you ask them what thier regulatory power > >>>> comes > >>>> from? How can they impose fines on a non-regulated business, that > >>>> does > >>>> not > >>>> require thier action to exist? > >>>> > >>>> Further, what's the justification in the first place? I think > >>>> this is > >>>> the > >>>> camel's nose and if we don't stand up and tell them to shove off, > >>>> we'll > >>>> > >>> > >> be > >> > >> > >>>> steamrollered into non-existence real fast. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 > >>>> personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net > >>>> sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net > >>>> Fast Internet, NO WIRES! > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >>>> - > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) > >>>> 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:35 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Did you understand 90% of it? We skipped a ton. And I sent a > >>>>> note to > >>>>> the > >>>>> FCC asking if a more isp centric form could be created. > >>>>> > >>>>> laters, > >>>>> Marlon > >>>>> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > >>>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services > >>>>> 42846865 (icq) And I run my own > >>>>> > >>>> > >> wisp! > >> > >> > >>>>> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > >>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > >>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: <wireless@wispa.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:00 PM > >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Filing for FCC form 477 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> For those of you in the states...remember that you have to file form > >>>>>> 477 > >>>>>> with the FCC by September 1. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Here is a link to the form: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Took me about 30 minutes to get mine done. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Matt Larsen > >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>>>> > >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>>>> > >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>>> > >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>>> > >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
