That's good to know if for no other reason than to use better coax
jumpers. It is really annoying that Trango uses RP-SMA connectors as
opposed to N.
-Matt
G.Villarini wrote:
That's a easy mod, I have done it myself... Trango gear has a 2 mcx jacks on
the pcb ...
Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
Sounds like you just want an external antenna jack on the Access5830. If
so, you might consider doing something similar to what the LastMileGear
guys do with the Canopy 5.7 gear.
-Matt
Tom DeReggi wrote:
I just installed a link using CM9, Station Server, WRAP board, about
300 yards away LOS, with only a single client so far on AP to SU
mode. The radios associated at 54 mbps, and about -70 db, with a
quality of 24/29. All speed enhancement features enable, and
encryption turned off.
Using Station server throughput test, testing from AP, the RX was 13.6
mbps, and the TX was 9.1 mbps.
I thought that was odd, because I thought the TX would be faster. (AP
to SU)
This supported my estimates that 54 mbps Atheros card's top real
throughput (for 54 mbps) was about 14 mbps, in a best case scenario.
Then through in longer range links, interference, hidden node (or
CTS/RTS to cure), retransmissions, heavy use links, and before you
know real throughput can be much less than 10 mbps. Asumming of
course Turbo Mode won't be used to hog up channels.
My tech question is... Is this being limited by the Atheros chipset,
or the WRAP motherboard? If using the Mikrotik RB532 board with higher
processing speed, can a single Atheros card transfer at a higher rate?
For those interested....
My business decission question is:
1) If Atheros can't go higher than 10 mbps in real world PtMP and...
2) Trango has fixed its short range packet loss problem (which they have)
3) Trango has new low pricing on Fox-D2 CPE (dropped $100 or so)
4) Trango has better testing tools
5) Trango avoids all the problems of 802.11 standard and home brew
that cost ISPs aggrevations (accept large packets 1600b,
pre-assembles, consistent availabilty, security, better remote
management, ARQ, etc),
What reason would there be to use anything but Trango broadband, even
for small community projects?
802.11 Atheros gives you...
1) Mesh designs
2) Relay radio designs, multiple antennas/links per single unit, with
only a $50 cost per radio card added.
3) HotSpot, compatible with laptops built-in config.
4) Built in VLAN switch, when used with Mikrotik RB532&daughter card.
5) OMNI support, when 6 sector design not needed.
6) One radio to stock, that supports ALL Freqs, for easy on the fly
adaptabilty (pending antenna swap).
#2 was good to reduce roof top colocation costs, by not needing to
discuss the need to install two radios with a landlord for roof top
approval.
My recent interest, was for #4 and #5 for a small multi-building /
multi-tenant complex.
I reduce AP costs, by using only one AP w/ OMNI (OK for short range),
apposed to Trango sector model. In a worse case scenario, where a
Trango 60 degree, would cover all MTUs based on edge of complex
placement, Mikrotik 802.11 would still save about $400 on the AP
side. On the MTU side, I would normally pay $385 for 802.1q VLAN
switch (24 port) for EACH building, apposed to $99 additional for
Mikrotik RB daughter card (total of 9 ports including RB532). Many
complexes have less than 8 subscribers per building. But if we use an
example of a 4 building project, the savings for a VLAN switch would
add up quick to around $1100, and adding simplicity with maintenance
of only one device (the CPE/Router/VLAN combo) instead of two devices
(VLAN switch and CPE Router). It also reduces costs for remote reboot
devices, as the Mikrotik has a hardware watch dog, where as a typical
VLAN switch would not. We use WDS to accomplish VLAN support. We use
VLAN support for several reasons. 1) it protects end users from
seeing other end users for security. 2) It allows us to more easilly
centrally bandwidth manage and route via VLAN (per customer), apposed
to paying attention to IPs and MACs which may have the need to change
over time, or may not be known in advance. 3) Prevents customer's
misconfigurations from effecting other users' links or router configs.
Because the traffic doesn't cross paths, it can't conflict. The
misconfigured client only gets effected.
I will say, after all the time it has taken me to order, deploy,
figure out how to configure, and wait for equipment stalling
reocurring revenue, I'd argue I would have saved by just deploying
Trango and VLAN switches to the project.
Another problem, is that if VLAN is used, its no longer possible to
use a Trango sector for both VLAN and non-VLAN customers at the same
time, because large VLAN packets would get their would be no VLAN
device on the Non-VLAN custoemrs to untag
In summary...
1) If Trango would add a third external connector option to their
5830AP line, like the 900APs, it would drastically reduce the
justification of home brew wifi, making it much more affordable to use
Trango for these type projects. It still wouldn't fix the VLAN cost
reductions, but then again so what.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi"
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News
Level3 did it to themselves, Cogent customers didn't have the option
to hear Level 3's side of the story because LEVEL3 blocked us access
from reading their side, like idiots. They instead could have did
port redirection to pass our traffic to their web site our something.
Regardless of what anyone says, LEVEL3 could have handled this
situation by simply cutting off the pipe that was used for peering,
but that is not what they did. They weren't accepting route
advertisements for Cogent IPs. We could send data through diverse
paths (other peers / ISPs), the packets just never came back. LEVEL3
didn't block peering pipes, they blocked routing info, in other words
Cogent users. Cogent wasn't technically capable to re-route our data
becaue LEvel3's actions. People leave out those little details of
relavence, because they can't prove it legally. But it is what
happened. In my mind Level3 stinks bad in this battle, because how
they fought dirty. It had nothing to do with who was actually at
faught regarding whether Cogent should have free peering or not.
However, Level3 atleast did the honorable thing and will be restoring
service long enough for us to take action to add peers. But in my
mind they should have made that decission two days ago, before all
the damage was done to innocent providers and businesses such as
MINE. We can sit behind the scenes as individuals educated on the
matter, and point fingers at LEvel3 or Cogent. But in my customer's
eyes the ONLY one responsible is ME. I got a black eye on this, that
will stay for some time, and I blaim Level3. There actions were
heartless on who it would effect. In my mind, Level3 was inches away
from serious law sutes.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News
Level 3 Issues Ultimatum
Restores connectivity to Cogent until Nov 9
Posted 2005-10-07 19:15:54
After restoring connectivity to Cogent this afternoon, Level 3 has now
issued a press release (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/68244)
explaining
their side of the story
(http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17). "Despite
more than
75 days of advance written notice of the termination of our agreement,
Cogent apparently failed to notify its customers or make any
business plans
to prepare for disconnection," notes Sureel Choksi, executive vice
president
of Level 3 Communications.
The restored peering arrangement won't last if Cogent isn't willing to
negotiate, however.
"Level 3 has, effective immediately, re-established a free
connection to
Cogent. In order to allow Internet users to make alternative
arrangements,
we will maintain this connection until 6:00 a.m. ET, November 9,
2005. The
effectiveness of this arrangement of course depends on Cogent's
willingness
to maintain their side of the traffic exchange."
Frank Muto
Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA
Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee
http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us
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