>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mac Dearman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 07:52 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>
>It is as simple as knowing the MAC addy of your Access Point. You would
>have to be either pretty stupid or a complete Newbie to the wireless
>world to let a fake SSID trip you up.
>
> Kurt - - if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or
>keeping them out of a specific territory by doing this - - you are the
>Newbie :-)
>
>Mac Dearman
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>Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>>> How can I avoid my competition doing this to me?
>>
>>
>> Yes, Hide SSID. However, that does not help, if you are offering a
>> self signup service where seeing the SSID is what brings in the
>> subscriber in the first place. I suggest Virtual APs, so monthly
>> subscribers can be transitioned to a different SSID. In other words
>> advertise one, and then after you qualify them and have their contact
>> info, mail them a new preferred SSID to use, that is not broadcasted.
>>
>> But the only real thing you can do about it is to deploy gear that
>> does not have that limitation. One of the reasons, we deploy Trango,
>> that has connection security built in.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rohrbacher"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>
>>
>>> How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Hide SSID and
>>> change it every so often?
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to
>>>> those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed
>>>> to admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on
>>>> legality. You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to
>>>> degrade another businesses ability to do business, where you'd
>>>> likely lose now in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever
>>>> that is called), if ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything
>>>> you do to them, ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work
>>>> of your tactics.
>>>>
>>>> Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far
>>>> better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy.
>>>>
>>>> At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to
>>>> associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is
>>>> that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your
>>>> neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide
>>>> wifi. If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd
>>>> be much better off, having their clients connect to you, and then
>>>> you pass them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page
>>>> for better rates and/or performance options, with an option to
>>>> continue at low bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play
>>>> Thug tactics, (sorta like mafia protection money), stating we are
>>>> the ones destroying your ability to use the Internet, pay us, or
>>>> don't communicate at all. No one wants to buy service from someone
>>>> that they've developed animosity towards.
>>>>
>>>> Tom DeReggi
>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what
>>>>> positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a
>>>>> good thing to do.
>>>>> Scriv
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each
>>>>>> other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their
>>>>>> clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they
>>>>>> try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they
>>>>>> cant figure out why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up
>>>>>> clients in my area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WAVELINC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 114 S. Walnut St.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM
>>>>>> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see
>>>>>> if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't
>>>>>> route based on Virtual AP SSID
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool,
>>>>>> on a wholesale level...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM
>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's
>>>>>> name? They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then
>>>>>> what, do you get called by the competitor?
>>>>>> I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name
>>>>>> help you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the
>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott Reed
>>>>>> Owner
>>>>>> NewWays
>>>>>> Wireless Networking
>>>>>> Network Design, Installation and Administration
>>>>>> www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but
>>>>>> Christmas, because
>>>>>> Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *---------- Original Message -----------*
>>>>>> From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do DSL) :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the virtual SSID thing was a natural win...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> because of the virtual ssid's ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Pete Davis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid.
>>>>>>> I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> business customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you
>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a bunch of APs on one radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients
>>>>>>> on an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing
>>>>>>> me to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Division Multiplexing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete Davis
>>>>>>> NoDial.net
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