A shared license (w/ zero barriers to entry, etc) w/out a very strict coordination scheme (which will never be implemented by the FCC due to the fact that it's A LOT of work to build, maintain and administer) is still basically an unlicensed system
Say there are 10 operators in a market You deploy your fancy schmancy 1024-FFT OFDM/mimo/beam-forming/space-coded/blah blah system w/ it's superior scheduled WiMAX MAC The other 9 of em deploy FM modulated FSK based systems across town What do you think is going to happen? -Charles ------------------------------------------- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment But, 3.65 isn't going to be unlicensed; it is going to be a shared license program. IMHO, that means that you will only have to contend with other operators as opposed to every consumer with a laptop. -Matt Charles Wu wrote: >W/out a license, 3.6 is going to work just as *bad* > >You really need 700 (or a <1 GHz band) to really get mobility / >portability in an unlicensed / uncoordinated environment > >-Charles > >------------------------------------------- >CWLab >Technology Architects >http://www.cwlab.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of jeffrey thomas >Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:02 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment > > >The benchmark is the ability to provide NLOS, portable or fixed service >to at least a 2 mile radius per cell, indoors. > >5.8 doesnt really give true NLOS to that distance indoors > >5.4 doesnt really give true NLOS to that distance indoors > >4.9 doesnt really give true NLOS to that disance indoors > >3.5Ghz does, to "portable" devices similar to the equipment used by >clearwire. Airspan for example claims their wimax solution works >indoors to about 3 miles out, which is pretty good IMHO. > >When you can deliver a zero truck roll model with 90% or above >availablity, is when operators by the truckload will deploy equipment. >At that point, you will see deployments in the thousands, like the ones >in mexico of 750,000 homes serviced. > >- > >Jeff > > > >On Thu, 25 May 2006 02:20:23 -0400, "Tom DeReggi" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >>How do you figure? >>You don't think 5.4 is going to solve part of that? >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jeffrey Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:55 PM >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment >> >> >> >> >>>Frankly, >>> >>>The FCC should really hurry up and finish the rules to allow the >>>industry >>>to >>>really take off. The common view with most manufacturers I have found is >>>that until there is 3.5ghz or near spectrum available, there will be >>> >>> >small > > >>>and limited deployments of wisp size and not many large scale >>> >>> >deployments > > >>>outside of 2.5ghz or 700 mhz operators. >>> >>>- >>> >>>Jeff >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On 5/24/06 6:14 AM, "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>All the same time, the industry doesn't bother to fill out their >>>>Form >>>>477s >>>>also >>>> >>>>The sad thing is is that there are long term consequences towards >>>>"flaunting the rules" -- namely the fact that you are just >>>>reinforcing the ILEC argument that unlicensed spectrum just creates >>>>a bunch of "cowboys" >>>> >>>> >that > > >>>>can't be taken seriously >>>> >>>>Heck, even Marlon knows better than to wear his skin-tight pink >>>>flamingo suit when he represents the industry in DC >>>> >>>>-Charles >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------- >>>>CWLab >>>>Technology Architects >>>>http://www.cwlab.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeffrey thomas >>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:37 PM >>>>To: WISPA General List >>>>Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment >>>> >>>> >>>>In the larger scale of things- when you compare this to a carrier >>>>deployment which would deliver thousands of CPE's service, this is a >>>>test. I know >>>> >>>> >of > > >>>>one company that has recieved 28 STA's for 14 markets, for over 2000 >>>> >>>> >CPE. > > >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>> >>>>Jeff >>>> >>>>On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:33:33 -0400, "Gino A. Villarini" >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>said: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Do you really think towerstream need 150 field units or cpes to >>>>>"test" a single base station? >>>>> >>>>>Gino A. Villarini >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>On Behalf Of Jack Unger >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:07 PM >>>>>To: WISPA General List >>>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment >>>>> >>>>>Gino, >>>>> >>>>>Is Towerstream doing this - using 3650 to deliver commercial >>>>>service? >>>>> >>>>>jack >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Gino A. Villarini wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Towerstream anyone ? >>>>>> >>>>>>Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>>tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>On Behalf Of Jack Unger >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:56 PM >>>>>>To: WISPA General List >>>>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment >>>>>> >>>>>>Jeffrey, >>>>>> >>>>>>I have to question the "judgement ability" (or the lack of it) of >>>>>>anyone who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a >>>>>>licensed "experimental" system and using it for a commercial, >>>>>>revenue-generating purpose. Someone who would do this is (IMHO): >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Someone with no business sense >>>>>>2. Someone with no appreciation of (or experience with) the >>>>>>enforcement powers of the FCC >>>>>>3. Someone who will likely turn out to be their own worst enemy >>>>>>4. NOT someone who I could rely upon to provide me reliable, >>>>>> >>>>>> >long-term > > >>>>>>WISP service. >>>>>> jack >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>jeffrey thomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Patrick, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It doesnt change the fact that many have launched "limited" >>>>>>>deployments as a "test" but still charged for the access >>>>>>>service, banking on the fact that the FCC has set the band aside >>>>>>>for unlicensed anyways, and that the chance of the FCC cracking >>>>>>>down on them is very low. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Im not saying this is right, but reality is such that they will >>>>>>>be evenutally amending the rules and the gear according to my >>>>>>>sources that is available today will be compliant. *shrug* >>>>>>> >>>>>>>- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jeff >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, "Patrick Leary" >>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch >>>>>>>>any commercial services using 3650MHz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>- Patrick >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM >>>>>>>>To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be >>>>>>>>"breaking the law" w/ a 3650 deployment >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--------------------------- >>>>>>>>To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>Cc: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com>; >>>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:32 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: [equipment-l] Experimental Licensing in the 3650 MHz >>>>>>>>Band - Clarifications >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Recently, there have been some misleading advertisements >>>>>>>>promising turn-key 3.65 GHz licensing services as a means of >>>>>>>>avoiding interference in congested license-exempt ISM/UNII >>>>>>>>bands. Although the FCC issued adopted rules back >>>>>>>>in March 2005 to open access to new spectrum for wireless broadband >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>3.65 GHz band, a "minor" contention-based requirement has >>>>>>>>delayed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >the > > >>>>>>>>deployment of wireless broadband services in this band as >>>>>>>>equipment manufacturers currently work behind the scenes to iron >>>>>>>>out the details. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As >>>>>>>>things currently stand, deploying a 3.65 GHz system today falls >>>>>>>>under Subpart 5: Experimental Radio Service of the FCC Rules. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Infrastructure Investment & Experimentation under Part 5 needs >>>>>>>>to be done strictly from a "curiosity" perspective rather than >>>>>>>>one of "commercial network expansion." Part 5 permits >>>>>>>>experimentation in scientific or technical operations directly >>>>>>>>related to the use of radio waves. The rules provide the >>>>>>>>opportunity to experiment with new techniques or new services >>>>>>>>prior to submitting proposals to the FCC to change its rules. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some useful excerpts regarding Experimental Licensing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>47CFR5.3: Scope of Service >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Stations operating in the Experimental Radio Service will be >>>>>>>>permitted to conduct the following type of operations: >>>>>>>>(a) Experimentations in scientific or technical radio research >>>>>>>>(b) Experimentations under contractual agreement with the United >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>States >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>Government, or for export purposes. >>>>>>>>(c) Communications essential to a research project. >>>>>>>>(d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. >>>>>>>>(e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for >>>>>>>>authorization >>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>any other service. >>>>>>>>(f) Demonstration of equipment to prospective purchasers by >>>>>>>>persons >>>>>>>>engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. >>>>>>>>(g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or >>>>>>>>regulatory >>>>>>>>approval of such equipment. >>>>>>>>(h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >data > > >>>>not >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>related to an existing or proposed service, including field or >>>>>>>>factory testing or calibration of equipment. >>>>>>>>(i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >data > > >>>>>>>>or >>>>>>>>engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. >>>>>>>>(j) Limited market studies. >>>>>>>>(k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under >>>>>>>>paragraphs (a) through (j) of this section will be considered >>>>>>>>upon demonstration of need >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>47CFR5.51: Eligibility of License >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>(a) Authorizations for stations in the Experimental Radio >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >Service > > >>>>will >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>be >>>>>>>>issued only to persons qualified to conduct experimentation >>>>>>>>utilizing radio waves for scientific or technical operation >>>>>>>>data directly related to a use of radio not provided by >>>>>>>>existing rules; or for communications in connection >>>>>>>>with research projects when existing communications facilities are >>>>>>>>inadequate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>47CFR5.63: Supplementary Statements >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>(a) Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >Radio > > >>>>>>>>Service >>>>>>>>must enclose with the application a narrative statement >>>>>>>>describing in detail the program of research and >>>>>>>>experimentation proposed, the specific objectives sought to be >>>>>>>>accomplished; and how the program of experimentation has a >>>>>>>>reasonable promise of contribution to the development, >>>>>>>>extension, or >>>>>>>>expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>already >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>investigated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>For further information regarding experimental licensing, the >>>>>>>>FCC has a nice online FAQ that gives a step-by-step how-to on >>>>>>>>experimental licensing: >>>>>>>>http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/elbfaqs.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>CWLab >>>>>>>>Technology Architects >>>>>>>>http://www.cwlab.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>>>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>*************************************************************** >>>>>>>>**** >>>>>>>>****** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>******** >>>>>>>>This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned >>>>>>>>by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, >>>>>>>>vandals & computer viruses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>**************************************************************** >>>>>>>********* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>******** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>*************************************************************** >>>>>>>>**** >>>>>>>>****** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>******** >>>>>>>>This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned >>>>>>>>by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, >>>>>>>>vandals & computer viruses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>**************************************************************** >>>>>>>********* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>******** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>>>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >>>>>Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of >>>>>the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True >>>>>Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting >>>>>Our next WISP Workshop is June 21-22 in Atlanta, GA. 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