Patrick,

Please just pick up the phone and contact the FCC yourself. Apply for the job, get a shiny badge and go out on the range to take down all of the Illegal wisps you see out there.

Every other email from you on this list (even when the thread starts with someone asking for advice) ends with an email from Patrick talking about OMG WTFBBQ!one!!!eleven111!! that is illegal!

Honestly, you are starting to sound like my nutty neighbor that measures the distance from my bumper to the stop sign every time I park.

If you are going to be all ranty about this stuff, you may want to remove your employer's domain name from your sig line. At this point I would be hesitant to use a vendor that shouted OMG YOU ARE ILLEGAL all the time.


ryan

On Feb 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, rabbtux rabbtux wrote:

I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak
once.  Wispa membership has been a good experience for me.  However,
Patrick has once again, been the HIGH & MiGHTY, and jumped all over my
one phrase.  I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in
tensions, other than I might re-use/re-deploy existing equipment.

What I do know now, is that Alvaron is off my shopping list for a long
time now, due to their over zealous employee.  I also know that more
of my posts will go to the members-only list to avoid this nonsense.

On 2/18/07, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that "we" as an industry have evolved to that level of degradation in dealing with the laws of the land & air. There will
always be renegades in every avenue of life, but "we" are not in that
classification :-) and given a little time we will be someone to be reckoned
with as the industry leader in wireless across this country.

I must admit that I have learned a few things in the past week - or had some things clarified that were quite an awakening for me and a few others. I (for one) will not deploy even one more piece of hardware that is not FCC certified. I have in the last year deployed many unlicensed access points & back haul radios though. I made a terrible mistake in doing that, but I was under a false impression of what was "legal." The path we will follow from
this point on is what is really going to count.

I do happen to know of two manufacturers who have gear at FCC certification labs today undergoing their certifications for some specific pieces of their gear. This is something that should have taken place a couple years ago, but now is better than never. I realize that is not going to affect the gear I have in the air today from these guys as it can not be certified - ever - even if they happen to get the exact gear certified that I have on towers
today.

I think this last visit WISPA members (Thanks men) made to the FCC clarified
several things that needed clarification:

1. FILLOUT THOSE FORMS!
The FCC is not out to get us. They need the data that only we can supply
them - like who we are, where we are (zip code), how many subs...Etc

This is their way of helping us. With out this data they can only guess how many "we" are, how many we serve and the actual coverage area total. Guys -
y'all please fill out the form 477 - - it's a good thing for us all.

2. WE ARE NOT LEGAL EVEN IF WE ARE NOT OVER POWERED OR OUT OF BAND.
I am not going into any details here because that is stated just as
simple as it can get.

Sincerely,
Mac Dearman




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being
"stickerconscious" or not??

"Sticker conscious?" So this is what we've become as an industry?
Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to
us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been
reduced to simply being "sticker conscious" or "not sticker conscious"?
Why not go further and call yourself "Illegal and proud" or just "I
don't give a ____"? Let's not have any more "gee, I can't afford to be
legal!" That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range
from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub- $300 --
that's cheap.

My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a
special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions?

RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious.
If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9
setups and they work great.

    Sam Tetherow
    Sandhills Wireless

rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> Not to stir the "fcc sticker" debate, but what gear is out there today
> that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point?   Looking for lower
> cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments.
> Thanks

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