how does this work for the hundreds of guys who use stuff they created, becuase the "manufacturers" are miles behind in features, performance, and flexibility?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] was School WiFi , about technical values. > Felix, > > I think motivating manufacturers is a simple as: > > 1. Asking them WHAT FCC certified systems they offer? > > 2. If the answer is none, ask them WHEN they expect to be offering > certified systems? > > 3. If the answer is "they have no plans" then ask them WHY NOT and > inform them that too much time and money have gone into building your > WISP to risk losing it by being fined or shut down by the FCC. Ask them > to advise you as soon as they have FCC certified systems available. > > jack > > > Felix A. Lopez wrote: > > Jack - I would be interested in motivating the > > manufacturers. I work for a large manufacturer but > > plan to go to a smaller company becase I like working > > in focused delta team environment. But I can see how > > working with manufacturers can be helpful. Can you > > provide additional thoughts. > > > > Marlon - any suggestions on your part? > > > > Felix > > --- Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> See comment inline, near end of post. > >> > >> > >> Mark Koskenmaki wrote: > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:05 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? > >>> > >>> > >>>> Dawn DiPietro wrote: > >>>>> Mike, > >>>>> > >>>>> If you think you are under the radar you are > >> sorely mistaken. You > >>>>> admitted on a public list that gear you use is > >> not certified. > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Dawn DiPietro > >>>> Yeah, but your over the limit! :) > >>>> > >>>> Heck why go after a 3000 little guys when you can > >> go after one big guy. > >>>> They've been selling unlicensed amplifiers and > >> uncertified systems for > >>>> as long as I can remember. Heck, talk about > >> posting a message on this > >>>> list, what about having a full blown catalog > >> online advertizing US sales > >>>> with prices next to them? > >>>> > >>>> I believe they should have spent the 3 or 4 g's > >> to get the systems they > >>>> sell certified before they sold them. > >>>> > >>>> They make millions easily selling uncertified > >> gear and it's not a secret. > >>> Ohh, I feel another rant coming on.. .George, you > >> better take a chill pill > >>> :) > >>> > >>> While this is a peripheral issue with > >> "certification", I have made > >>> suggestions to the FCC about certification of > >> individual components. I > >>> kinda doubt it's going to happen. At least not > >> soon, regulators are > >>> notorious for not liking change, since it makes > >> things less tidy for them. > >>> I buy computer components... motherboad, > >> processors, video cards, and so > >>> on... And tires, and car parts, and actually > >> quite a few other things that > >>> have technical performance reviews by people who > >> have tested things. > >>> I WISH that manufacturers could certify > >> components, because then we'd have > >>> published real-wolrd performance graphs and charts > >> to use for comparison > >>> when we buy things. Just "certified" really > >> isn't "good enough" in my > >>> view. I recall that a good number of years ago, > >> there was a hack for a > >>> linksys AP that turned up the power. Someone used > >> an SA on it and found > >>> that when you did it, the output became incredibly > >> dirty. > >>> Certified or not, I would like to know that what I > >> buy is "clean" rf-wise. > >>> Low OOB emissions. Minimal out of channel > >> emissions, selective recievers > >>> that reject adjacent channel noise. Really > >> comparable specs for dealing > >>> with noise and S/N ratios, etc. > >>> > >>> I really dislike not knowing those things about > >> what I buy. And, due to > >>> the way certification works, certification has > >> almost no meaning when it > >>> comes to those important RF characteristics. > >> Early on in my investigating > >>> the wireless business, lots of people were testing > >> new products and > >>> publishing the results. I dont' see ANY of that > >> going on anymore. > >> > >> Wrong. Certification DOES test for out of band > >> emissions; it also tests > >> for out of channel emissions. It does not test for > >> receiver selectivity > >> because that is not a characteristic that will mess > >> up the band. Part 15 > >> certification deals primarily with dirty transmitted > >> signals, not poor > >> receivers. > >> jack > >> > >>> Any suggestions to motivate manufacturers? > >>> > >> -- > >> Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, > >> Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > >> FCC License # PG-12-25133 > >> Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 > >> Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying > >> License-Free Wireless WANs" > >> True Vendor-Neutral Wireless > >> Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting > >> FCC Part 15 Certification Assistance for Wireless > >> Service Providers > >> Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 > >> www.ask-wi.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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