Why is it, then, that there aren't more radio\TV station outages due to lightning? They have to have done something to reduce their chances of a direct hit on those 1200' towers.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet


Nothing stops direct hits. A spark that traveled through miles of air isn't really going to care what else is between it and the ground.
Good ground is the lifesaver for nearby hits that induce wild voltages.

And following the code is always best for the health and safety of the people.

Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
This has been my experience, Scott.

I have seen lightening enter an enclosed device and simply burn a hole right
in the middle of a circuit board with nothing else damaged.

On my desktop PC, lightening apparently came in through the cable, through the cable modem (destroyed) and down the Ethernet, through the Linksys (OK)
to the PC and the only other damage was the motherboard Ethernet.  I
replaced the modem and bought a PCI Ethernet card and it's fine. What paths
lightening took in this incident or the above incident is anyone's guess.

There is still controversy over the value of diverting or directing
lightening and/or lightening leaders and streamers to protect against a
direct hit.

It's really fascinating and here's a fun place to start you thinking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod

Nevertheless, good enclosures fed with metal conduit that's well grounded
appear to do well but the local ordinances need to be heeded.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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If properly grounded, the opposite is true. The ground wire should direct the lightning to ground (hence the name) and away from your equipment.

Not to mention that in the case of an equipment failure that causes the power supply to put 120VAC on the case, etc., the ground wire directs the current to ground, not you. It is always about safety. I would much rather have dead equipment than dead personnel because an electrical system was not properly grounded.

Dennis Burgess wrote:

YOU DO NOT WANT TO RUN A GROUND WIRE! The reason for that, is that then it
gives lightning etc the ability to go though your equipment vs the tower
ground!  B




On 5/22/07, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Again,
Check your local code before you copy this.  No ground is not allowed
here, unless somehow you can prove it is a temporary extension cord.
Neither is low voltage in same conduit at 120VAC.

That said, small changes to Dennis' configuration will make good
installation.

Run the cat5 in a separate (metallic) pipe (rigid, EMT, Sealtite,
whatever you like).  Ground the bottom of the pipe.  I would leave the
top ungrounded, but that is:
   1) personal preference (eliminates ground loops).
   2) determined by which way gives you the best performance, least
interference from the FM.
You may want to use cat5e or cat6 as the twist is tighter, thus
accepting less interference as well.

Run a ground wire with the power.  Even for the low current required at
the top, I would probably run 14AWG or 12AWG. Lowers the inductance, may
allow less noise to be induced on the power leads.   Besides, 14AWG is
the smallest wire you can run with a 15amp breaker.  Same thing with
ground loops; I would probably use a plastic box and thus isolate the
power ground from the enclosure, tower, etc.

One good way to do it is consult a local commercial/industrial
electrician.  They will know the code for your area.  But they don't
always understand radio and induced voltages.


Dennis Burgess wrote:

We are located at 400 foot on a FM tower, 100,000 watts at the top of
1400
foot.

The total length of CAT 5 is 440 foot or so, and plug directly into a
RB532
at the top of the tower (power at the top as well)

We ran a felexable conduit up the tower, inside, 16awg solid
copper, one

black, one white, (for the 110), NO GROUND, and also in that same
conduit,
we ran good outdoor, sheilded CAT5, UV Resistant (even though it is

fully

enclosed), and we get a 100meg link without issues for the most part!

One thing we did do, is ensure that we were on the other side of
all the

transmission lines running up the tower.

Dennis



On 5/22/07, Andrew Niemantsverdriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am co located on a tower with an FM transmitter. The FM station
runs

at 105Mhz. We were running one AP at 10 half duplex to overcome the
havoc that the FM station created on our ethernet feed. We now
need to

run that link at 100 full duplex to be able to handle the traffic
coming through it. What are some hints tips tricks to make it work.

The cable run itself is 150' of shielded CAT5. It works fine at 10
H/D

and it works at 100 F/D most of the time but it will occasionally go
down and there is some intermittent packet loss on that link. The run
itself terminates into a managed switch.

If CAT5 won't work, is fiber my next option? How does that work? I
assume that I need power up the tower as well? Any tips to make that
happen assuming keeping the existing CAT5 won't work.
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