George/Travis/All: What's interesting is that my local WISP said the local carrier (read: now its ATT) would start becoming interested when they were at 10,000 subscribers. My local WISP walks door to door to get subscribers or "by word of mouth" and in direct competition with local cable and/or wireless carrier broadband provider (SBC).
F. --- George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm pretty sure TJ is Travis and that was just > another discussion we > have had countless times about how much we are > worth. > > I say we are worth at least what it would cost for > another provider to > come in and get up to where we are. IN A SHORT TIME > SPAN. > That price can vary, but it's probably much more > than 12x monthly. > > George > > > Felix A. Lopez wrote: > > Travis,Last year, I discussed this very topic with > my > > regional WISP in Northern California and they said > > they heard a raw price is needed on a "per > subscriber" > > basis. Here is a 2004 aricle from IP Planet which > > probably needs an update: > > > > The Value of a WiSP: > > > > > http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2004/wisp_valuation_bol.html > > > > an anyone give me the current value of a > traditional > > ISP client (in real dollars) on a per subscriber > > basis? Client base includes dial-up, wireless, > > broadband (cable and DSL). I know this is a very > > subjective figure; however I'm just interested in > > ballpark figures, or a link with industry values > for > > this type of information. > > > > Many had numbers ready at hand. > > > > [TI said] "My rule of thumb is 9 to 18 months of > > revenue depending on profit." > > > > [TJ replied] "Actually, I have heard of buy-outs > as > > low as 6 times and as high as 24 times the > monthly. It > > really depends on many, many things." > > > > [BR added] "We have ad some talking with us a > while > > back, and so far it's assets + 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 > years' > > gross." > > > > [PS enthused] "Sold! Where do I go to get my > check? I > > haven't seen deals like this in a long time. > Anyone > > have a list of recent transactions? The ISP > brokers > > used to post on their websites recent > transactions, > > now they are all kept secret. I would sell for 2 > times > > gross plus assets any day of the week. I just > don't > > see those deals out there anymore. The deals I see > are > > closer to 4-6 times monthly for dialup and 1-2 > times > > annual gross for broadband + assets - liabilities. > > Granted it's been a long time since I looked > because > > it got too depressing to follow a few years back. > > Maybe with all the bankruptcies and mergers the > value > > has gone up with fewer companies being left out > there > > to buy?" > > > > FC suggested that different metrics than just > number > > of subscribers should be used: > > > > "From talking to a number of people, I can tell > you > > that a true businessperson looks at your cash flow > per > > year (excluding growth) and multiplies that by > > something between 5 and 7.5. Expect to get closer > to 5 > > than 7.5. > > > > That makes a lot more sense than $xSub since fixed > > costs (tower rental, bandwidth, employees) vary > > greatly between ISPs. All else being equal, an ISP > > that pays $2,000 per month in tower rent is worth > a > > lot more than one that pays $5,000 per month." > > > > [TJ concluded] "However, you should also keep in > mind > > that when buying another ISP, your thoughts are > always > > going to be "I know what my costs are, so I can > make > > the costs for the new ISP the same". > > > > Thus, if an ISP is paying $5,000/month in tower > rents > > and you are only paying $2,000/month, then my > thoughts > > would be "I can save $3,000/month right to begin > > with". ;) > > > > There are always cost savings by purchasing > another > > business of the same type. Billing, receptionists, > > tech support, etc. Having purchased 3 other ISPs > (back > > in the dial-up only days), I can tell you that the > > only cost we carried over were the additional T-1 > > lines we needed to support the additional users. > You > > then use the "extra" cash that those "new" > customers > > are making you to pay the purchase price over > 12-24 > > months... :)" > > > > > > —End > > > > Felix Lopez > > Wireless Practitioneer > > San Francisco, CA > > > > --- Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Hey, > >> > >> Anyone seen current pricing for purchase of a > WISP? > >> The last I saw it > >> was around 12x the monthly... has that changed at > >> all lately? 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