Sweet, let them move! 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Sovereen
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re:Keynote

I thought it was excellent.  He's a very interesting speaker and I 
thoroughly enjoy what he has to say, as he has a very comprehensive and 
cohesive view of the market that provokes a lot of thought.

Memorable insights:

1.  There are too many backbone providers out there.  Back in the day, there

were over 100.  Today, there are maybe 12 or so nationally that are still 
significant.  He thinks that number needs to come down to 4 in order for all

of them to be viable.

2.  Interesting thoughts on telecome deregulation.  Said the cable and phone

companies are still monopolies and are the cause of limited bandwidth.  They

have a vested interest in keeping bandwidth scarce and expensive as voice 
and video are simply applications that run over IP.  Since voice and video 
are the breadwinners for telephone and cable companies, they want to limit 
broadband speeds and availability as much as possible so they can continue 
to make their better margin revenues on those services.  If bandwidth were 
super accessible and super affordable, voice and video would just be an 
application on the net and those revenues would disappear.  In his 
pie-in-the-sky ideal world, cable and telephone companies would be reduced 
to being nothing more than wholesale transport companies, would be forced to

open those networks to independent, retail operators, and should be assured 
a reasonable return on investment and operations... say 12%, for 
shareholders.  Of course, this will never happen.  He gave examples of where

this type of structure has been implemented in other areas of the world and 
has worked.

3.  Talked about why Cogent does Ethernet.  How there are nearly 2 billion 
(??) ethernet ports on the planet, more than anything else, they are low 
cost, and that makes sense for getting bandwidth to the masses.  GigE ports 
are available at BestBuy for under $100.  OC-3/12/48 ports are available 
only in limited form at very expensive prices.  So Ethernet makes sense for 
economic distribution of bandwidth.

4.  Wireless is bandwidth-limited.  Only so much spectrum.  As a result, 
will never be able to compete with line-based technologies, where terahertz 
of bandwidth are available over fiber optics.

5.  Talked about universal service and universal availability.  Subsidies 
need to go.  Let the market pay to deliver service based on real costs.  In 
his view of the country, probably 99% of the population can be covered with 
market-priced services, and the remaining 1% of people who live on 
mountain-tops, deserts, and jungles where it doesn't make economic sense to 
deliver service should simply not be served.  Let them move.

There was a lot more.  He packed a lot of thought into a short period of 
time.  His keynote was the most interesting and enjoyed I've heard at an 
ISPCON in a very long time, maybe ever.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Re:Keynote


>
> How was the Cogent (Dave Shaefer) Keynote? Any new insight?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:22 PM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON Notes
>
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Thanks for clarifying the true value of the generous donation that 
>> Alvarion
>> made.  I did have that on the list below.  If I misstated it, I 
>> apologize.
>> It was great to see you to, I'm only sorry I didn't have more time to 
>> talk
>> to you.  You looked like you were feeling much better than last year.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:25 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON Notes
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Don't forget the late entry of a full BreezeNET B100 link that went to
>> WISPER Wireless Internet in Belleville, IL by the draw of Mike Delp's
>> card. That thing lists for $7,990. Thanks for allowing Alvarion to
>> donate the link to the raffle at the last minute.
>>
>> Mike, if I see it on eBay I'll break your legs! :)
>>
>> Matt Larson has one up now and he told me last night the link is over 30
>> miles and it is pulling over 20 mbps without blinking and that it has
>> been true set-and-forget.
>>
>> Rudy, Jeff, George, Mac, J.C., Matt, Jack, Rick, Dave, et all...it was
>> great to see you last night. The reception was absolutely packed. Nice
>> job and thanks to Powercode and ImageStream for stepping up to sponsor
>> it.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> AVP, Market Development
>> Alvarion, Inc.
>> o: 650.314.2628
>> c: 760.580.0080
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Rick Harnish
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:28 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON Notes
>>
>> WISPA held its biannual reception at ISPCON last night.  Attendance was
>> fabulous with a crowd that reached overcapacity for the room we had
>> reserved.  We want to thank all members, potential members and vendors
>> who
>> came to the reception and shared this time with us.  The highlight of
>> the
>> evening was the announcement of the WISPA Outstanding WISP Operator of
>> the
>> Year Award.  President Matt Larsen made this presentation following an
>> outstanding speech about WISPA, our accomplishments and our goals for
>> the
>> future.  This year's winner was Travis Johnson of IDA.Net.  Travis
>> received
>> a very nice plaque for his accomplishments of serving around 4000
>> clients in
>> the rough terrain of Idaho.  Our sincere congratulations go out to
>> Travis,
>> his staff and his family.  Great Job!
>>
>>
>>
>> We also want to thank Imagestream and Powercode for sponsoring the
>> reception.  Without vendor support, many events such as this would not
>> be
>> possible.  Special thanks to JC Utter and John Wright for stepping up to
>> the
>> plate this year.
>>
>>
>>
>> We also held a raffle at the end of the reception.  Doorprizes were
>> donated
>> by many vendors and the winners are listed below.  Thanks to all the
>> vendors
>> who supported this raffle.
>>
>>
>>
>> CTI & NetSapiens  (5) $500 discount on a NetSapiens Starter Pack
>>
>>                Donny Smith - Jaguar Communications
>>
>>                Nathan Stooke - Wisper ISP
>>
>>                Mark Lemmo - I Node Infotech
>>
>>                Marcus Mamolen - Giglinx
>>
>>                Patrick Nix - Computer Network Solutions
>>
>> CTI (5) Free RB/153 with indoor cases with your next purchase from CTI
>>
>>            James McDonald - Homeland Internet
>>
>>            Walter Mendizabal - Metrocom
>>
>>            Mark Perrone - W-PNP
>>
>>            Dave Giles - Invisimax
>>
>>            Robert Gruhn - High Density Network
>>
>> Butch Evans Consulting  Free Hour of Consulting for Imagestream,
>> Mikrotik or
>> StarOS
>>
>>            Dan Lubar - Relay Services
>>
>> Alvarion (1) Free BH100 Backhaul
>>
>>            Mike Delp - Wisper ISP
>>
>> Jack Unger - (1) Autographed Copy of Deploying License-Free Wireless
>> Wide-Area Networks
>>
>>            Scott Cress - Hughes
>>
>> Ascendance - GWP116VE Access Point Client Bridge FCC Certified
>>
>>                Jeff Crews - Eastern Oregon Net
>>
>> Wisp-Router (1) 10% Discount on next purchase up to $200
>>
>>                Ben Hulet - MotherLode Internet
>>
>> JeffCo Soho (1) Mikrotik 532Ar5 L4 in NEMA4 enclosure
>>
>>                Bill Hagestand - VISI
>>
>> Trango Broadband (1) $100 Amex Gift Card
>>
>>                Tom Laydon - X1 Communications
>>
>> WISPA Shirts (3)
>>
>>                Perry Roach - Netsweeper
>>
>>                Stephen Coran - Rini Coran, PC
>>
>>                Suzanne Peters - WeRoam
>>
>> Wireless Mapping (1) Free Coverage Map and Google Earth File for up to 6
>> tower sites
>>
>>                Adam Kennedy - Cyberlink
>>
>>
>>
>> We also are sporting a new booth this year thanks to the efforts of the
>> promotions committee.  The graphics look very professional and we
>> received
>> many compliments.
>>
>>
>>
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