> It's only practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low > throughput
I have a very hard time accepting that comment. 3.650 is more power than other unlicenced. 3.650 has better RF characteristics than 5.8G for NLOS and Distance. Possibly even better than 2.4G (up for debate, based on average size of pine needles and leafs). Any time there is a capabilty to serve MANY such as in an Urban area, of course its also possible to serve a LOWER number of people typical or subburb or rural. If you are trying to say, 3.6 Wimax is not a replacement for 900Mhz to tackle foliage, I 100% agree. If you say, NLOS is not possible long range, I fully agree, but neither is any other technology. If you say, smaller channels will mean lower throughpout for multi-sector designs, I'd agree with you. But 3.6G was designed for Rural. Thats why it has higher power levels. And WiMax was designed for typical cell distances of existing legacy unlicened gear. If anything it could be argued that WIMax is Better in rural areas because it does not have the contention protocols needed to deal with many interference sources typical of Urban america, and Wimax dies in interference. Wimax 3.6G, is as rural as any other product, and smart urban WISPs will also do their best to use it. Personally, even if its one 20Mhz sector, its one more sector that can be added to the tower. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. It is >not > for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's only > practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low throughput > clients. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > >> There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65 >> just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a new >> profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. As >> far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and is >> not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move that >> I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. >> Scriv >> >> >> Clint Ricker wrote: >>> Tom, >>> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in >>> terms >>> of >>> deliverables. >>> >>> My main point is more that communications in marketing often involves >>> using >>> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your >>> product. >>> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business and >>> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the reality is >>> that >>> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is >>> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your product. >>> >>> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting something that >>> it >>> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't advocate >>> and, >>> in >>> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the >>> deliverables, >>> in >>> that sense. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Clint Ricker >>> -Kentnis Technologies >>> >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to expand with >>>> new >>>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he uses of >>>> Press >>>> Releases. >>>> >>>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings regarding >>>> the >>>> release. >>>> >>>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. >>>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest state >>>> of >>>> the >>>> art. All the same to the consumer. >>>> >>>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". >>>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false conclusion. >>>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in the public >>>> eye. >>>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. >>>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. >>>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the >>>> characteristics >>>> of unlicensed, with registration added. >>>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is misled to >>>> think >>>> the service is something more than it really is. >>>> >>>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its not >>>> illegal. >>>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any >>>> different >>>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press releases? Maybe >>>> just >>>> clever marketing? >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'd like to make a point in return. >>>>> >>>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for marketing and >>>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in technology? >>>>> >>>> If >>>> >>>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their target >>>>> market >>>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their customers >>>>> >>>> are >>>> >>>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their bandwidth is >>>>> coming >>>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks like a >>>>> >>>> duck >>>> >>>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call it a >>>>> duck >>>>> and >>>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists when they >>>>> >>>> grow >>>> >>>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. >>>>> >>>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, this is >>>>> a >>>>> complete absurdity. >>>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the >>>>> concept--which >>>>> is, >>>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do better >>>>> >>>> then >>>> >>>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic Transport >>>>> Solutions". >>>>> >>>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell "VoIP" >>>>> with >>>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get digitized, >>>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes that no one >>>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time they make >>>>> >>>> even >>>> >>>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while >>>>> definitely >>>>> not >>>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and >>>>> technical >>>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a short >>>>> amount >>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to sell >>>>> "telephone >>>>> service", not "Voice over IP". >>>>> >>>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better because he >>>>> >>>> calls >>>> >>>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified >>>>> >>>> pre-release >>>> >>>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, that >>>>> involves >>>>> communication. Using language that people can understand sells >>>>> products >>>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your objective >>>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to using >>>>> language >>>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. >>>>> >>>>> -Clint Ricker >>>>> Kentnis Technologies >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? >>>>>> >>>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if stuff like >>>>>> this >>>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it is and >>>>>> isn't). >>>>>> I >>>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX based, but it >>>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. >>>>>> >>>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running >>>>>> 2.5Ghzand >>>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, just >>>>>> >>>> making >>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> point. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>> Wireless Network Engineer >>>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) >>>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To Rollout New >>>>>> >>>> WiMAX >>>> >>>>>> Service >>>>>> Importance: Low >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in the US >>>>>>> >>>>>> because >>>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for 3.65 GHz >>>>>>> >>>>>> should >>>>>> >>>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly non-interoperable). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention protocol" >>>>>> requirement. However, if the radio implements contention then it >>>>>> won't >>>>>> be restricted to the lower 25Mhz. As of today, only WiMAX radios have >>>>>> been certified for 3.65Ghz. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>> >>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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