Perhaps, but what good is an FCC rule if there's no equipment available to use it?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > Mike, > > Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your > position. > I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my mind > the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. > > To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar with, > do > not have that same limitation. > Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond > accurately. > > But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor by > 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their designs. > > Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power for > wider channels? > > I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, which > could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. > But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array antennas, > that > rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and > interfere less. > In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those who > strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being more > efficient. > There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum ediquete. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > >> See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed documents. >> It just doesn't have the power. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >> >> >>> Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. >>> You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. >>> In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. >>> >>> I think its important to define country. If you are talking about Idaho >>> with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is >>> the >>> better option. >>> But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 >>> 6Mhz >>> channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to >>> acheive >>> high modulations because its noise free. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>> >>> >>>> Exactly. >>>> >>>> What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city? >>>> >>>> What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:11 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>> >>>> >>>>>I guess I am a bit perplexed by this premise. Why would people in urban >>>>> areas pay for low bandwidth wireless broadband options? What problem >>>>> does this platform solve under that scenario? >>>>> Scriv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>> I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. It >>>>>> is >>>>>> not >>>>>> for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's >>>>>> only >>>>>> practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low >>>>>> throughput >>>>>> clients. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65 >>>>>>> just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. >>>>>>> As >>>>>>> far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. >>>>>>> Scriv >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Ricker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom, >>>>>>>> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in >>>>>>>> terms >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> deliverables. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My main point is more that communications in marketing often >>>>>>>> involves >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your >>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business and >>>>>>>> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the reality >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is >>>>>>>> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your >>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting something >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't >>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>> and, >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the >>>>>>>> deliverables, >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> that sense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Clint Ricker >>>>>>>> -Kentnis Technologies >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to expand >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he uses >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Press >>>>>>>>> Releases. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings >>>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. >>>>>>>>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest >>>>>>>>> state >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> art. All the same to the consumer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". >>>>>>>>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false conclusion. >>>>>>>>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in the >>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>> eye. >>>>>>>>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. >>>>>>>>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. >>>>>>>>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the >>>>>>>>> characteristics >>>>>>>>> of unlicensed, with registration added. >>>>>>>>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is misled >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> the service is something more than it really is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> illegal. >>>>>>>>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any >>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press releases? >>>>>>>>> Maybe >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> clever marketing? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX >>>>>>>>> Service >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to make a point in return. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for marketing >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in >>>>>>>>>> technology? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their target >>>>>>>>>> market >>>>>>>>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their >>>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their >>>>>>>>>> bandwidth >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> duck >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call it >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> duck >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists when >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> grow >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> complete absurdity. >>>>>>>>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the >>>>>>>>>> concept--which >>>>>>>>>> is, >>>>>>>>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do >>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic >>>>>>>>>> Transport >>>>>>>>>> Solutions". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell >>>>>>>>>> "VoIP" >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get digitized, >>>>>>>>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes that >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time they >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while >>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and >>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a short >>>>>>>>>> amount >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to sell >>>>>>>>>> "telephone >>>>>>>>>> service", not "Voice over IP". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better because >>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> calls >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> pre-release >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, that >>>>>>>>>> involves >>>>>>>>>> communication. Using language that people can understand sells >>>>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your >>>>>>>>>> objective >>>>>>>>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to using >>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Clint Ricker >>>>>>>>>> Kentnis Technologies >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if stuff >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it is >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> isn't). >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX based, >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running >>>>>>>>>>> 2.5Ghzand >>>>>>>>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>>>>> Wireless Network Engineer >>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) >>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To Rollout >>>>>>>>>>> New >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Service >>>>>>>>>>> Importance: Low >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in the >>>>>>>>>>>> US >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for 3.65 >>>>>>>>>>>> GHz >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly >>>>>>>>>>>> non-interoperable). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention protocol" >>>>>>>>>>> requirement. However, if the radio implements contention then it >>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>> be restricted to the lower 25Mhz. As of today, only WiMAX radios >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> been certified for 3.65Ghz. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Matt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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