Wow- Thats a huge difference. For those that don't want to pull up the link...
Redline: 25Mhz ch: 1.3w AirSpan: 20Mhz ch: 4.07 w AirSpan: 15Mhz ch: 7.24 w Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > and the Redline grant: > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=549096&fcc_id=QC8-AN100UA > > So Redline unit does have FAR less power available then AirSpan. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > >> Airspan grant: >> >> https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP >> Y&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=686827&fcc_id=O2J-365T >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:24 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >> >> Mike, >> >> Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your >> position. >> I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my >> mind >> the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. >> >> To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar >> with, do >> not have that same limitation. >> Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond >> accurately. >> >> But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor by >> >> 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their designs. >> >> Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power >> for >> wider channels? >> >> I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, which >> >> could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. >> But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array antennas, >> that >> rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and >> interfere less. >> In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those >> who >> strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being more >> >> efficient. >> There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum >> ediquete. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >> >> >>> See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed >> documents. >>> It just doesn't have the power. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>> >>> >>>> Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. >>>> You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. >>>> In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. >>>> >>>> I think its important to define country. If you are talking about >> Idaho >>>> with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is >> the >>>> better option. >>>> But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 >> 6Mhz >>>> channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to >>>> acheive >>>> high modulations because its noise free. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>> >>>> >>>>> Exactly. >>>>> >>>>> What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city? >>>>> >>>>> What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:11 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I guess I am a bit perplexed by this premise. Why would people in >> urban >>>>>> areas pay for low bandwidth wireless broadband options? What >> problem >>>>>> does this platform solve under that scenario? >>>>>> Scriv >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>> I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. >> It >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's >> >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low >>>>>>> throughput >>>>>>> clients. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX >> Service >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to >> 3.65 >>>>>>>> just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue >> a >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already >> cover. As >>>>>>>> far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects >> and >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a >> move >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. >>>>>>>> Scriv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Ricker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom, >>>>>>>>> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive >> in >>>>>>>>> terms >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> deliverables. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My main point is more that communications in marketing often >>>>>>>>> involves >>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your >>>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>>> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business >> and >>>>>>>>> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the >> reality is >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is >>>>>>>>> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your >>>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting >> something >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't >> advocate >>>>>>>>> and, >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the >>>>>>>>> deliverables, >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> that sense. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Clint Ricker >>>>>>>>> -Kentnis Technologies >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to >> expand >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he >> uses of >>>>>>>>>> Press >>>>>>>>>> Releases. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings >>>>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. >>>>>>>>>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest >>>>>>>>>> state >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> art. All the same to the consumer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". >>>>>>>>>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false >> conclusion. >>>>>>>>>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in >> the >>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>> eye. >>>>>>>>>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. >>>>>>>>>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. >>>>>>>>>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the >>>>>>>>>> characteristics >>>>>>>>>> of unlicensed, with registration added. >>>>>>>>>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is >> misled >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>> the service is something more than it really is. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its >> not >>>>>>>>>> illegal. >>>>>>>>>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any >>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press >> releases? >>>>>>>>>> Maybe >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> clever marketing? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX >> Service >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to make a point in return. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for >> marketing >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in >>>>>>>>>>> technology? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their >> target >>>>>>>>>>> market >>>>>>>>>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their >>>>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their >> bandwidth >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>>>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks >> >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> duck >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call >> it a >>>>>>>>>>> duck >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists >> when >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> grow >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, >> this >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> complete absurdity. >>>>>>>>>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the >>>>>>>>>>> concept--which >>>>>>>>>>> is, >>>>>>>>>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do >>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic >>>>>>>>>>> Transport >>>>>>>>>>> Solutions". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell >>>>>>>>>>> "VoIP" >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get >> digitized, >>>>>>>>>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes >> that no >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time >> they >>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while >>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and >>>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a >> short >>>>>>>>>>> amount >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to >> sell >>>>>>>>>>> "telephone >>>>>>>>>>> service", not "Voice over IP". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better >> because >>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> calls >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> pre-release >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, >> that >>>>>>>>>>> involves >>>>>>>>>>> communication. Using language that people can understand >> sells >>>>>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>>>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your >>>>>>>>>>> objective >>>>>>>>>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to >> using >>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Clint Ricker >>>>>>>>>>> Kentnis Technologies >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if >> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it >> is >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't). >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX >> based, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running >>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5Ghzand >>>>>>>>>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>>>>>> Wireless Network Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) >>>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To >> Rollout >>>>>>>>>>>> New >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Service >>>>>>>>>>>> Importance: Low >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in >> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> US >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for >> 3.65 >>>>>>>>>>>>> GHz >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly >> non-interoperable). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention >> protocol" >>>>>>>>>>>> requirement. 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