Are you sure those channel sizes are correct? I thought Redline used 3.5 and 7 while AirSpan used 5 and 10.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > Wow- Thats a huge difference. > For those that don't want to pull up the link... > > Redline: 25Mhz ch: 1.3w > AirSpan: 20Mhz ch: 4.07 w > AirSpan: 15Mhz ch: 7.24 w > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > >> and the Redline grant: >> >> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=549096&fcc_id=QC8-AN100UA >> >> So Redline unit does have FAR less power available then AirSpan. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >> >> >>> Airspan grant: >>> >>> https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP >>> Y&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=686827&fcc_id=O2J-365T >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:24 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your >>> position. >>> I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my >>> mind >>> the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. >>> >>> To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar >>> with, do >>> not have that same limitation. >>> Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond >>> accurately. >>> >>> But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor by >>> >>> 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their designs. >>> >>> Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power >>> for >>> wider channels? >>> >>> I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, which >>> >>> could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. >>> But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array antennas, >>> that >>> rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and >>> interfere less. >>> In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those >>> who >>> strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being more >>> >>> efficient. >>> There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum >>> ediquete. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>> >>> >>>> See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed >>> documents. >>>> It just doesn't have the power. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>> >>>> >>>>> Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. >>>>> You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. >>>>> In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. >>>>> >>>>> I think its important to define country. If you are talking about >>> Idaho >>>>> with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is >>> the >>>>> better option. >>>>> But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 >>> 6Mhz >>>>> channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to >>>>> acheive >>>>> high modulations because its noise free. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Exactly. >>>>>> >>>>>> What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city? >>>>>> >>>>>> What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:11 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I guess I am a bit perplexed by this premise. Why would people in >>> urban >>>>>>> areas pay for low bandwidth wireless broadband options? What >>> problem >>>>>>> does this platform solve under that scenario? >>>>>>> Scriv >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>>> I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. >>> It >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's >>> >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low >>>>>>>> throughput >>>>>>>> clients. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX >>> Service >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to >>> 3.65 >>>>>>>>> just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue >>> a >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already >>> cover. As >>>>>>>>> far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects >>> and >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a >>> move >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. >>>>>>>>> Scriv >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Ricker wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tom, >>>>>>>>>> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive >>> in >>>>>>>>>> terms >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> deliverables. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My main point is more that communications in marketing often >>>>>>>>>> involves >>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your >>>>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>>>> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business >>> and >>>>>>>>>> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the >>> reality is >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is >>>>>>>>>> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your >>>>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting >>> something >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't >>> advocate >>>>>>>>>> and, >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the >>>>>>>>>> deliverables, >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> that sense. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Clint Ricker >>>>>>>>>> -Kentnis Technologies >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to >>> expand >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he >>> uses of >>>>>>>>>>> Press >>>>>>>>>>> Releases. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings >>>>>>>>>>> regarding >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. >>>>>>>>>>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest >>>>>>>>>>> state >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> art. All the same to the consumer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". >>>>>>>>>>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false >>> conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in >>> the >>>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>>> eye. >>>>>>>>>>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. >>>>>>>>>>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. >>>>>>>>>>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the >>>>>>>>>>> characteristics >>>>>>>>>>> of unlicensed, with registration added. >>>>>>>>>>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is >>> misled >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>> the service is something more than it really is. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its >>> not >>>>>>>>>>> illegal. >>>>>>>>>>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any >>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press >>> releases? >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> clever marketing? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX >>> Service >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to make a point in return. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for >>> marketing >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in >>>>>>>>>>>> technology? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their >>> target >>>>>>>>>>>> market >>>>>>>>>>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their >>>>>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their >>> bandwidth >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>>>>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> duck >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call >>> it a >>>>>>>>>>>> duck >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists >>> when >>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> grow >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, >>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> complete absurdity. >>>>>>>>>>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the >>>>>>>>>>>> concept--which >>>>>>>>>>>> is, >>>>>>>>>>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do >>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic >>>>>>>>>>>> Transport >>>>>>>>>>>> Solutions". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell >>>>>>>>>>>> "VoIP" >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get >>> digitized, >>>>>>>>>>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes >>> that no >>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time >>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and >>>>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a >>> short >>>>>>>>>>>> amount >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to >>> sell >>>>>>>>>>>> "telephone >>>>>>>>>>>> service", not "Voice over IP". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better >>> because >>>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> calls >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> pre-release >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, >>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> involves >>>>>>>>>>>> communication. Using language that people can understand >>> sells >>>>>>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>>>>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your >>>>>>>>>>>> objective >>>>>>>>>>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to >>> using >>>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Clint Ricker >>>>>>>>>>>> Kentnis Technologies >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if >>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it >>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't). >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX >>> based, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.5Ghzand >>>>>>>>>>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wireless Network Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To >>> Rollout >>>>>>>>>>>>> New >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Service >>>>>>>>>>>>> Importance: Low >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in >>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> US >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for >>> 3.65 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GHz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly >>> non-interoperable). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention >>> protocol" >>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement. 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