Does that apply to part 15 modular approval as well for SR2/SR5/XR2/XR5? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 XR3 locations (was: Rapid Link Launches WiMax)
> I've been in contact with UBNT for some time. The modular approval > specifies the antenna to be used, and it is, according to both the FCC ( > email from the FCC in response to an inquiry ) and UBNT entirely legal to > use with any OS that properly operates the card. > > So, yes you can grow your own, and if nothing else, you simply use the FCC > ID on the card itself as your FCC ID... If you wish to have your own > number on the box, you must apply to the FCC for your own number, and > simply > cite the "this is unchanged from XXXXXX " in your applicaiton. > > All stated clearly and unambiguously by the FCC personell. > > I hope this puts this argument to bed. Modular approval is just that. > The module, ON ITS OWN, is approved and can be put in anything > appropriate. > Again, stated clearly by the FCC. > > BTW, on your license, you're required to put the ID of the equipment > you're > putting in place. In this case, it's the FCC ID for UBNT. > > BTW, current XR3's out now are not ACTUALLY the right card. I've been > promised a pair from the first stickered and channelized batch. I would > not deploy anything being sold by retailers right now, as they are pretty > much engineering mules... Not optimized and not properly channel > filtered > and limited. > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > <insert witty tagline here> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 XR3 locations (was: Rapid Link Launches WiMax) > > >>I had a feeling this would unleash a can of worms. >> >> I'm the one who registered the locations. My first location (my office >> rooftop) was done purely as an academic exercise to see what exactly was >> required. I had hoped the FCC would come back and say, "you need to do >> X Y and Z before this is acceptable." I would have been fine with that >> and taken that into consideration in my feasibility study. They did not. >> >> Since then, there has been some further digging to clarify some >> questions that were brought up by this approval. From what I >> understand, using the XR3, MT and an 18dbi antenna (or smaller) is >> approved as far as Part 90 goes. See >> http://forum.ubnt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1451&start=14 for >> clarification. >> >> Now, if you were to go out and SELL that bundle as a product, I would >> think there would need to be further licensing >> (http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/ ) to be approved. Hana Wireless ( >> http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/HW3.pdf ) is selling pretty >> much the same kit I made myself, but I do NOT see any OET approvals for >> them. I hear other WISPS are using the Hana units, but I see nothing >> of the sort registered in ULS, so I would think they are not legal. >> >> If I use any of these, they will be for PTP links. Because the XR3 was >> only approved for 18dBi antennas, and has a max output of 25dbm (see >> *http://tinyurl.com/4jpndg *, >> http://ubnt.com/downloads/ubi_mtik_power.pdf ) and assuming .5 dB loss >> for the jumper cable, at slow speeds we're only going to get a 42.5 dBm >> or 17.8 watts, not the full 20 watts allowed under the rules in a 20 mhz >> channel. If you want to run at full 54 mbps, you will only get 18 >> dBm on the radio, plus 18 on the antenna, or 35.5 dbm, or 3.5 watts. >> Not the ideal PTP solution. >> >> So is it moral or legal to run it? I'm glad this has stirred some >> debate and further clarifications. I'd like to see 802.11Y moved along >> and put into MT and the cards, that would help open up lots of other >> non-wimax possibilities. For now, it is what it is. I've seen nothing >> to indicate it is illegal. Is it unwise? >> >> I honestly am interested in hearing verifiable refutations to anything >> I've found so far. I want to do what is legal, as well as wise. >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> >> Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote: >>> George...you can not plug-n-play components as I said earlier. It has to >>> be certified as a system that makes use of a contention based protocol. >>> >>> Leon >>> >>> * George Rogato wrote, On 6/4/2008 11:22 AM: >>> >>>> Thanks for explaining that Travis. >>>> I asked Jack Unger to look into this recently. >>>> There was a post somewhere else recently about 3650 use and I forwarded >>>> it to Jack to find out from the FCC if in fact it is the way the post >>>> read. >>>> >>>> I'd like to hear Jack's opinion based on what he has found out from the >>>> FCC. >>>> >>>> As far as using those cards, if they work in mt and star, then for most >>>> of us it's just add another card to the multi port board and go. It >>>> sounds a lot cheaper than I had expected. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> >>>>> Here is what I have heard or read so far: >>>>> >>>>> (1) I "heard" that 3650 users that are conflicting will have to "work >>>>> it >>>>> out" and that "more than likely" the FCC would not get involved in a >>>>> frequency conflict. >>>>> >>>>> (2) Getting a license for 3650 takes about 2 hours, start to finish >>>>> (from what I have heard from people that have done it). Meaning any >>>>> person with Internet access can have a valid, FCC license in 2 hours. >>>>> >>>>> (3) The FCC has already approved someone using just the Ubiquiti XR3 >>>>> card as the registered "base station". Putting that card in a MT >>>>> system >>>>> does not broadcast any call signs or info in the packet frame, yet you >>>>> are "licensed" and "FCC legal" as per the registration. >>>>> >>>>> (4) If it truly is a "first registered, everyone else work around me" >>>>> then I will be registering every single tower within a 1,000 mile >>>>> radius >>>>> from my NOC. :) >>>>> >>>>> I'm not trying bash you or anything you said... I'm just thinking the >>>>> 3650 band is going to get just as messy as the 5ghz band within a few >>>>> years... and I think the FCC has given "false hope" that it is >>>>> somewhat >>>>> protected... yet I don't see how. >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> John Scrivner wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Here is how it is different than 5 GHz. In 5 GHz the rules are that >>>>>> you have >>>>>> to accept interference. Also any equipment on earth can use the band >>>>>> from >>>>>> mobile phones to cameras and of course broadband devices of many >>>>>> types. >>>>>> There is little involved in dropping your link. Also there is little >>>>>> chance >>>>>> of you knowing what the interfering source is without some leg work. >>>>>> In 3650 >>>>>> only people who get a license can launch. Base stations must be >>>>>> certified >>>>>> systems with the FCC and must be registered with the FCC. The rules >>>>>> state >>>>>> that it is a requirement that anyone using the band must work to >>>>>> eliminate >>>>>> interference with other users. That means if you are there first and >>>>>> someone >>>>>> interferes with you then they broke the law and it is their duty to >>>>>> fix it. >>>>>> Also, since everyone must register base stations, you will know who >>>>>> is >>>>>> interfering. In the case of WiMAX base stations, the call letters of >>>>>> the >>>>>> license holder are actually transmitted in the data frames which show >>>>>> up as >>>>>> the intefering carrier within the monitoring tools in the base >>>>>> stations >>>>>> themselves. I think there is a great opportunity in this band and I >>>>>> am >>>>>> proud >>>>>> to say I just got my license in 3650 last week. I am looking to build >>>>>> my >>>>>> first WiMAX base station very soon. >>>>>> Scriv >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> So, how exactly does 3.65ghz licensing work? If Rapid Link has >>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>> a base station at tower X, and I want to license 3.65ghz at tower X >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> well, what happens? Also, what if I want to license at Tower Y that >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> 100 feet away? 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